Why The Chameleon Link List Submitter Might Be A Bad Investment

ecchi · 2007-08-13, 02:43 AM

Years ago I used a TGP submitter that auto submitted to the minor TGPs, but acted like Roboform for the bigger ones, i.e. it just filled in the form, but left you to check everything, and submit manually. Would this not also be a good idea for Link Lists too? If the link list is new and small, it needs submissions, but it is not worth a site creator's time submitting to it. So an auto submit is good for all. But if a LL is getting a reasonable amount of submits, it does not want to go on the submitter, so the form filler is a better option.

Just one question for Link List owners. When the TGP submitter I mentioned above (sorry, I cannot remember it's name) switched from all-auto to this method, I seem to remember that it was not because it's owners considered this a better method, but because the bigger TGPs had come up with a way to stop auto submitters working on their forms. I cannot remember how they did this (I would guess it was simply a 'copy this code' thing), but would it not be possible to do exactly the same thing on link list forms and stop auto submission dead?

SheepGuy · 2007-08-13, 03:29 AM

People have to email me to submit sites. There's advantages and disadvantages to that.
Disadvantage is I don't have and probably can't use a script, so the list is done by hand and takes more time for me to do. Also, it's a bit of a PITA for submitters.
Big advantages are that I get to know the people who submit to me, which makes reviewing quicker for those I trust and gives me the chance to network on other things with them, bounce ideas off of them, and learn from them. The other one is that I never get autosubmitters, there is no form for them to fill out.
If I get so big that I can't handle all of the submissions coming in, I can always change the email address for trusted submitters, and pick and choose from new submitters at the old address. Or block any submitters who cheat.

I would like to have a decent autosubmitter though for the TGP's that want them. I don't make a lot of galleries, but I don't submit them to a lot of places either, it would be nice to expand that in a quick way, without pissing anyone off by breaking rules.

ecchi · 2007-08-13, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

People have to email me to submit sites. There's advantages and disadvantages to that.

Another disadvantage is in your rule "I no longer send acceptance emails". No one expects a LL webmaster to send acceptance emails (at least no one I know) when they use a form. But using email is different, it is, as you said, more personal. You expect the webmaster to mail you, but you don't mail them back. I know you have as little time to do this as form users (less than some, as some scripts will automatically send an acceptance mail at a click), but saying "you must...but I wont" comes over as "fuck you" when you read it.

Licker4U · 2007-08-13, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ecchi

...No one expects a LL webmaster to send acceptance emails (at least no one I know) when they use a form.

Well now you know one...

I damn sure expect an acceptance e-mail, form or not, (even though some lists don't send them) but I think SheepGuy mentioned in a thread about stopping the acceptance e-mails that he would send a rejection e-mail with a reason. Good enough for me. I know that if I don't hear from him I'm listed. In a backwards way that's as good as an acceptance e-mail. Not all link lists send them but I sure as hell want them. I don't have time to go checking 45 lists that I submit to to see if I'm listed, especially with some running up to a week or more behind in reviews. Of the 45 I submit to about 38 are regulars here at the board and I think they all send acceptance e-mails.

Mr Spock · 2007-08-13, 09:15 AM

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I would like to have a decent autosubmitter though for the TGP's that want them. I don't make a lot of galleries, but I don't submit them to a lot of places either, it would be nice to expand that in a quick way, without pissing anyone off by breaking rules.

If you are looking for a TGP submitter, I would suggest the Chameleon submitter, their database of TGPs is updated often so you don't have to hunt around for TGPs to submitt to, most of the TGPs are ok with it and you still have the option of manual submit.

SheepGuy · 2007-08-13, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ecchi

Another disadvantage is in your rule "I no longer send acceptance emails". No one expects a LL webmaster to send acceptance emails (at least no one I know) when they use a form. But using email is different, it is, as you said, more personal. You expect the webmaster to mail you, but you don't mail them back. I know you have as little time to do this as form users (less than some, as some scripts will automatically send an acceptance mail at a click), but saying "you must...but I wont" comes over as "fuck you" when you read it.

I do send rejection e-mails, and if there is a comment or a question in the submission e-mail I answer it. I found that if I had nothing to say and the site was accepted from a regular submitter, that all I was doing was sending a sort of 6 or 7 word form letter and filling everyone's inbox with junk. So far everyone has said they were cool with that. I think I'll change it so that if you want an acceptance email I'll send one. I certainly didn't mean it to come across as a "fuck you".

2007-08-13, 03:29 AM	#2
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	People have to email me to submit sites. There's advantages and disadvantages to that. Disadvantage is I don't have and probably can't use a script, so the list is done by hand and takes more time for me to do. Also, it's a bit of a PITA for submitters. Big advantages are that I get to know the people who submit to me, which makes reviewing quicker for those I trust and gives me the chance to network on other things with them, bounce ideas off of them, and learn from them. The other one is that I never get autosubmitters, there is no form for them to fill out. If I get so big that I can't handle all of the submissions coming in, I can always change the email address for trusted submitters, and pick and choose from new submitters at the old address. Or block any submitters who cheat. I would like to have a decent autosubmitter though for the TGP's that want them. I don't make a lot of galleries, but I don't submit them to a lot of places either, it would be nice to expand that in a quick way, without pissing anyone off by breaking rules. __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-08-13, 02:43 AM	#1
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	Years ago I used a TGP submitter that auto submitted to the minor TGPs, but acted like Roboform for the bigger ones, i.e. it just filled in the form, but left you to check everything, and submit manually. Would this not also be a good idea for Link Lists too? If the link list is new and small, it needs submissions, but it is not worth a site creator's time submitting to it. So an auto submit is good for all. But if a LL is getting a reasonable amount of submits, it does not want to go on the submitter, so the form filler is a better option. Just one question for Link List owners. When the TGP submitter I mentioned above (sorry, I cannot remember it's name) switched from all-auto to this method, I seem to remember that it was not because it's owners considered this a better method, but because the bigger TGPs had come up with a way to stop auto submitters working on their forms. I cannot remember how they did this (I would guess it was simply a 'copy this code' thing), but would it not be possible to do exactly the same thing on link list forms and stop auto submission dead?