What Pisses You Off With Link Lists & Free Sites?

[LowryBigwood]

I have another, more of a rant really.

When LL owners deny your freesite for having a recip on your page that doesn't exactly match what they want you using. When in reality... that link being different from the thousands of identical ones they have forced others to use is probably helping and not hurting the site. Go figure..

[Lemmy]

After thinking about it some, this thread is starting to scare me. Seems most of us are pissed at pretty much the same things and some of the solutions that have been mentioned are centralized submit sites where you can grab premade recip tables and submit to many sites with one click, more uniform rules etc etc.

I thought some of the beauty of the LL/freesite model was variety, but these suggestions would do the opposite and create more uniformity.

And how much trouble is it to grab the correct micro-micro-niche recip? Most of us probably submit to 4-5 categories at most on a regular basis. Grab the recip once and your done.

As for the 24-hour rule that many have, that's easy too. If you submit every day just push your schedule ahead by one minute the next day and you're good to go. You can submit daily for a long time without having to take a day off.

If it's too much trouble to find the correct recip on the 50 or so LLs that are worth submitting to (I inflated that number so my sites might be included) and managing your time, well, they're always hiring at Wal-Mart and McDonalds. It pays about the same as a mid-level adult webmaster and the hours are much better.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

After thinking about it some, this thread is starting to scare me. Seems most of us are pissed at pretty much the same things and some of the solutions that have been mentioned are centralized submit sites where you can grab premade recip tables and submit to many sites with one click, more uniform rules etc etc.

I thought some of the beauty of the LL/freesite model was variety, but these suggestions would do the opposite and create more uniformity.

I have to agree with you here, I don't think it does any good to have everyone the same, and some of my gripes - longer titles, more flexibility with links out etc. are because I'd like to be able to add more variety to my own sites. With a more flexible freesite model, it would be easier to change templates around, make things look different and try new things in terms of visuals and marketing.

Originally Posted by Lemmy

And how much trouble is it to grab the correct micro-micro-niche recip? Most of us probably submit to 4-5 categories at most on a regular basis. Grab the recip once and your done.

As for the 24-hour rule that many have, that's easy too. If you submit every day just push your schedule ahead by one minute the next day and you're good to go. You can submit daily for a long time without having to take a day off.

If it's too much trouble to find the correct recip on the 50 or so LLs that are worth submitting to (I inflated that number so my sites might be included) and managing your time, well, they're always hiring at Wal-Mart and McDonalds. It pays about the same as a mid-level adult webmaster and the hours are much better.

and here too. Really, the recip thing kind of bugs me. I'm sure my system isn't that different from most others - I have a master list of recips, both buttons & text, that I just plug on the page & arrange the way I want it. Then with each submit page open in my browser I cut & paste into the form fields. Most LLs will have some notice if they've changed anything, and if it's a recip I just go in, grab it & change it on my site on the fly, adding it to the master table as well. Takes maybe 5 minutes from grabbing to re-uploading, not even. Generally, LLs aren't changing or adding recips every day, so chances are you won't have to do that all the time. And it's only the one time, once you change your master table. I did it this way even when I was subbing mirrors, and it never really bugged me that much. Maybe that's because as an LL owner as well, I realize a lot of work goes into those recips.

Having said that, I've been making some changes too, and I may be moving to non-catogorized recips anyway. But just thought I'd throw that out there, because I really don't see it as a big problem personally, and as a submitter, I really don't expect everything handed to me on a silver platter.

I hope the Linklist model will be around for a long time, I always liked surfing them better. I think it attracts a different type of surfer, one that likes the buildup and anticipation more, likes the 'story' and natural progression of the freesite. If LLs were all the same, they'd be tgps

I'll shut up now, this has all been just my opinion and my big mouth

[koalaTalex]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

If it's too much trouble to find the correct recip on the 50 or so LLs that are worth submitting to (I inflated that number so my sites might be included) and managing your time, well, they're always hiring at Wal-Mart and McDonalds. It pays about the same as a mid-level adult webmaster and the hours are much better.

This is very true!

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

As for the 24-hour rule that many have, that's easy too. If you submit every day just push your schedule ahead by one minute the next day and you're good to go. You can submit daily for a long time without having to take a day off.

While I agree with most of what you've said, and the general tone of your post (I don't think this should be made too easy, myself), I really don't get your one minute delay method. Submitting to 20 lists takes more than one minute, if this is your delay, you're bound to mess up on some LL's and hit the submit button too soon. One hour I can see, but one minute?

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by tigermom

While I agree with most of what you've said, and the general tone of your post (I don't think this should be made too easy, myself), I really don't get your one minute delay method. Submitting to 20 lists takes more than one minute, if this is your delay, you're bound to mess up on some LL's and hit the submit button too soon. One hour I can see, but one minute?

Believe me it works just fine, I do it all the time. On Monday if you start submitting 12:01, start 12:02 on Tuesday. 24 hours and 1 minute will have elapsed.

If you want to be 100% certain of no overlap push your schedule ahead by 5 minutes every day. One month later you'll start your submits start at 2:30.

How many of us can say we go 30 days straight without missing a day of submission?

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

How many of us can say we go 30 days straight without missing a day of submission?

Definetely not me.

However, I also think 1 minute is a bit much for myself. 5 minutes would probably work for me as I know submitting to 20 LL's per site each day, I can't get my site submitted to all of them in the exact same amount of time each day. However, I think that LL owners could easily set this rule to around 20 hours or even do away with the rule all together and make things a bit better.

I do not personally see a reason to set a rule on amount of subs a linklist gets (within reason). They are either quality sites or they're junk or maybe somewhere in between. You list it or you don't.