Amateur NetCash seems to cheat on you for your traffics to nextdooramateur.com

[JJJ]

I have tested numerous times and I cannot see my ccbill id in nextdooramateur.com signup page. Their other sites seems to work fine but nobody knows what is next.

Click on your link to www.nextdooramateur.com go to its ccbill join page and search for your ccbill id. It seems that they are using other merchant id so no affiliates can get the credit.

If this is wrong or there is a just reason, I am terribly sorry but I have tested many times. They have two different signup page for the same site.

[Beaver Bob]

did you try to contact the sponsor and ask them about it?

if they are a smaller program there is a chance its as simple as a programming bug somewhere or something that was overlooked. seems plausible if all the other sites are fine.

[JJJ]

No, I have not.

I have been watching the site for the last 6 days and they have been using other merchant id with another signup page. I have sent a couple of thousands clicks for the first 2 days of 6.

I don't want them to know who I am. I am a small guy.

It is simple. If you are pushing the site, you can test it now clicking on your link. If you see your ccbill id please let me know. I will apologize and take this back.

Try their join link and click thru a couple of their model pages though. Some models are working fine but most of them goes to the other signup page without your ccbill id.

I just want them to do it right and to know affiliates are watching their sites.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by JJJ

No, I have not.

Then you are part of the problem. in 99 out of a 100 cases, faults like this are (as Bever Bob) said just a bug in the system. But if affiliates are too lazy to even contact the sponsor, or worse, decide to loud mouth complaints about the sponsor on boards without first contacting them, they don't know that there is a problem to fix.

Originally Posted by JJJ

I don't want them to know who I am.

Hard luck. Most sponsor's have board trackers, they look out for mention of their name. Not only will they now know who you are, but they will have you listed as an 'unpleasant little guy who bad mouths them at the drop of a hat'. If you had contacted them first, they would have you listed as 'the helpful guy who told us when there was a problem'.

And the really bad news is that lots of sponsors read this board. they now ALSO know who you are, and they will have made a note of you as being a 'pain in the ass'.

Originally Posted by JJJ

I just want them to do it right and to know affiliates are watching their sites.

1. They will NEVER be able to get it right if people like you are too lazy to notify them when they have a problem.
2. They already know that their affiliates are watching them. They know that (most of us) are not stupid.
3. That may be what you 'want', but all you have achieved is to tell the webmastering community what sort of person YOU are.

[Jim]

I am glad that Bob asked about contacting the sponsor first thing. When people read a post accusing a sponsor of wrongdoing with an apology or not if he is wrong, they think the person has at least notified the sponsor.

When a site gets added to a program, the sponsor tests it over and over. But sometimes, shit does happen. A big part of testing and fixing a problem within a program is trusting that webmasters will let them know if there is a problem.

Never be afraid to let a program know that there may be a problem. You will be thanked and things will be made right. If you are afraid to be labeled a troublemaker, going to the board before trying other avenues is the wrong thing to do.

[JJJ]

To ecchi,

Hew. I am the bad person then. I think I should have used "make mistake" rather than "cheat" at the beginning.

I am sorry if some part of my first posting bothers you much. You could have give me lessons in nice and kind way though.

Well I did not write an email not just because I am lazy or anonymous. It may be part of it.

I don't think that all of the sponsors are good guys like your writing implies.

I still believe that if this kind of problem is a mistake, it should not have been made at the beginning.

I have been testing more often when I see this kind of problem on public board so my bad reputation and laziness hopefully comensate other possible mistakes in future.

If Amateur NetCash want to tell me something, PM me. I will delete this thread if I can in one day anyway.

Sorry for my short English.

[JJJ]

It seems that I cannot delete or edit my first posting. I am not familiar with this public board things.

On my second thought, I have to say I should have sent them an email before I started this thread.

Well I specified what I found to a site of the sponsor. I apologize that I use "cheat" at the beginning.

My impression with Amateur NetCash for years is that its rebills last for long time. My traffics does not convert as well as I hope but rebills are always more than I expected.

If someone can edit my first posting, please change "cheat" to "bug" or something so people reading it does not have wrong impressions with Amateur NetCash.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by JJJ

Click on your link to www.nextdooramateur.com go to its ccbill join page and search for your ccbill id. It seems that they are using other merchant id so no affiliates can get the credit.

Why would THIS non-ccbill link put my, or anyone else's, affiliate code on the join page? Perhaps your testing strategy is the problem. They also appear to be using MPA3.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by JJJ

To ecchi,
Hew. I am the bad person then. I think I should have used "make mistake" rather than "cheat" at the beginning.

No, the reason you are the 'bad person', is because you posted before giving the sponsors a chance to put things right. The very first thing you should have done is contacted the sponsor and told them about the problem. You should have then given them a few working days (i.e. a few days not including Sat/Sun) to put it right. If they did not either do this, or reply telling you why it was going to take longer than a few days, then you could have thought about posting, but not before. NEVER EVER post this sort of thing until you are 100% CERTAIN that it is a deliberate con.

Also, because you did not bother telling the sponsor when you first noticed the problem you have delayed the time it will be fixed. This means that for a few days at least, other affiliates will have lost money simply because you did not tell the sponsor. In other words, due to what is probably a simple error, several 'average Joes' will loose money. It is most likely that this was not deliberate on the sponsor's side. But on your side, it was deliberate. YOU had the chance to help put this right by telling the sponsor, YOU made the DELIBERATE DECISION not to do so, thus several people have lost money because YOU DECIDED TO NOT TELL THE SPONSOR. The sponsor probably acted by accident, but you acted DELIBERATELY. How can you not see how this makes you the 'bad guy'?

Originally Posted by JJJ

To ecchi,
I am sorry if some part of my first posting bothers you much. You could have give me lessons in nice and kind way though.

Why? you were anything but 'nice and kind' to the sponsor, or their other affiliates. Why should expect to be treated differently to the way you treat other people? You write 'nice and kind' posts, and I'll give you 'nice and kind' replies. But you behave like a grade one shit, and that is the kind of reply you will get.

Originally Posted by JJJ

To ecchi,
I don't think that all of the sponsors are good guys like your writing implies.

They are not all 'nice guys', and I never implied that. However one makes what is probably a simple mistake, and you jump all over them like a vulture on a wounded man. The most likely scenario is a mistake. Give them the benefit of the doubt until you have evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by JJJ

To ecchi,
I still believe that if this kind of problem is a mistake, it should not have been made at the beginning.

Unfortunately sponsors are human beings, and human beings make mistakes occasionally. Maybe in the future the world will be run by robots who are 100% perfect 100% of the time, but I am afraid we all live in the real world. You should try joining us there sometime.

Originally Posted by JJJ

To ecchi,
If Amateur NetCash want to tell me something, PM me.

Just hope that what they send you is NOT a law suit. Chad will be able to tell you better, but I think your post is libellous, and if they feel nasty they can sue you for more money than you have. Not sure what your county's liable laws are like, but in most countries it will cost you hundreds of thousands if they sue you and you cannot prove that you did NOT make that first post.

Originally Posted by JJJ

To ecchi,
I will delete this thread if I can in one day anyway.

I don't think you will be able to, I think you can only do that within one hour of posting.

Originally Posted by JJJ

To ecchi,
Sorry for my short English.

Your English is not a problem, there was only one paragraph I could not understand ("I have been testing more often...."). The problem is your attitude, and your attempt to destroy the reputation of a sponsor without even giving them the chance to correct their error first.

[JJJ]

To ecchi,

Your points are very well taken. Thank you for your efforts and time.

I will be more careful and think more than twice before I write this kind of subject.

Sincerely,