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[Bobc01]

Originally Posted by Simon

It might be that she recognizes the difference between believing in the religious tenents of Judaism and the maniacal slaughtering of a large group of people based on their ethnicity.

But I could be wrong.




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But she's a non believer so how can she recognise anything about a religion?

Hitler didn't do anything that any religion hasn't done in the past few 1000 years, he just did it in different ways.

[tigermom]

Thank you, Simon, pretty much what you said

Originally Posted by Bobc01

But she's a non believer so how can she recognise anything about a religion?

Ummmm, so you have to be a believer to recognize anything about a religion? Since when is that? Also, Judaism is a nationality, not just a religion. You opted to skip the lesson, so I won't go any deeper into that. Let's just say though that if you choose not to learn about things, might be a good idea not to debate them either...

Originally Posted by Bobc01

Hitler didn't do anything that any religion hasn't done in the past few 1000 years, he just did it in different ways.

If you decide to start learning after all, I highly recommend a few history books too.

[Bobc01]

Originally Posted by tigermom

Thank you, Simon, pretty much what you said



Ummmm, so you have to be a believer to recognize anything about a religion? Since when is that? Also, Judaism is a nationality, not just a religion. You opted to skip the lesson, so I won't go any deeper into that. Let's just say though that if you choose not to learn about things, might be a good idea not to debate them either...



If you decide to start learning after all, I highly recommend a few history books too.

I need to learn?

So you're saying that jews have never been involved in slaughter (mass murder, genocide) call it what you want?

Carefull how you answer that and be sure that you know before you do.

You are a contradiction to yourself as an atheist is some who does not believe or recognise religion, so how can you be an atheist and jewish???

Please send whatever it is you're smoking.

[Beaver Bob]

Originally Posted by Bobc01

I need to learn?

So you're saying that jews have never been involved in slaughter (mass murder, genocide) call it what you want?

Carefull how you answer that and be sure that you know before you do.

You are a contradiction to yourself as an atheist is some who does not believe or recognise religion, so how can you be an atheist and jewish???

Please send whatever it is you're smoking.

Someone can be ethnically Jewish.. ever hear of Hebrew? Its a nationality just like any other. That doesn't mean they follow the religion part of it.

[LD]

Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

Someone can be ethnically Jewish.. ever hear of Hebrew? Its a nationality just like any other. That doesn't mean they follow the religion part of it.

The religious kind seem to put out more.

[Bobc01]

Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

Someone can be ethnically Jewish.. ever hear of Hebrew? Its a nationality just like any other. That doesn't mean they follow the religion part of it.

Still doesn't explain tigemom taking offence to hitler, i know jewish people here that drive volkswagen beatles, look into the history of them.

10 million jews were slaughtered during WW2, god knows how many people were killed in bombings here.

In what way has hitler had a personal effect on tigermom?

None, just used to make a statement nothing more.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Bobc01

In what way has hitler had a personal effect on tigermom?

None, just used to make a statement nothing more.

ok, I wasn't going to jump in here but my fingers have a life of their own

what if Tigermom, like me and like a lot of other people of Jewish descent, had ancestors and relatives that were killed as a direct result of hitler's actions - would that not affect that person? What if those people had lived, would they have raised their children differently, lived in different places? And in turn would those children have had different lives? And their children...all the way down to me. Would I have a different life than I have now if those relatives had lived instead of died?

The past always affects the present and the future.

By the way Simon, that was an interesting read, maybe this thread should end

PS - sorry this thread went so far downhill, SG!!

[Bobc01]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

ok, I wasn't going to jump in here but my fingers have a life of their own

what if Tigermom, like me and like a lot of other people of Jewish descent, had ancestors and relatives that were killed as a direct result of hitler's actions - would that not affect that person? What if those people had lived, would they have raised their children differently, lived in different places? And in turn would those children have had different lives? And their children...all the way down to me. Would I have a different life than I have now if those relatives had lived instead of died?

The past always affects the present and the future.

By the way Simon, that was an interesting read, maybe this thread should end

Ahhh the "what if", ok what if the raids on the heavy water plants had failed?
Remembering things like the berlin pact and hitler declaring war on the US, would any of us be here now??

What if the 1000's of bombs that destroyed london killing 10's of 1000's of people didn't happen?
What if coventry hadn't of been levelled by german bombers and 1000's of people hadn't of been killed?
What if millions of allied soldiers hadn't of been killed or wounded?

Do i take offence if hitler is mentioned?
Does anyone else anywhere take offence?

Seems not, so why do you? before our time was it not so how has it effected any of us, please explain?

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Bobc01

But she's a non believer so how can she recognise anything about a religion?

Hitler didn't do anything that any religion hasn't done in the past few 1000 years, he just did it in different ways.

The senseless slaughter of millions of people shouldn't be a believer/non-believer anything..it should be an affront to anyone with the slightest thread of human decency.

But wait long enough and next it will be obese people on cattle cars and taking us to "fat camps" so we can be reconditioned because hitler did it and 50+ years later, no one cares.

or people with brown eyes

or people with tattoos

or pornographers..because they have no family values anyway.