hard lesson learned - Page 4

NY Jester · 2007-12-10, 12:17 PM

Just to touch on what Tommy said. I can vouche that it can and in most cases "happen" to you. I wasnt "screwed" so to speak, but I was working pretty much exclusively with a couple during my first years as an adult webmaster. We had contracts in place and re-upped them every 6 months. Well after the site had grown, following the 2nd year of working with them they decided that they no longer wanted a partnership and took the responsibility on themselves. The site had been established, they were retaining members for an avg. of 2 months after initial signup and went at it alone. I had no choice and after my rebills stopped so did the cash flow. It was an investment in time, that had paid off for a short period, but I had only put my "eggs" in one basket. And even though I had done all the work to get the traffic to the site, designed the site, revamped the site, it was STILL their site. They owned the domain, they owned the content, the hosting, the ccbill account, I was just merely an affiliate - so to speak. And once they decided to go in another direction and not renew our contract, I was left with no income from all the hard work. Live and Learn. It works both ways. All parties involved in this will bounce back, if they have any intentions of staying with the adult business.

Tommy · 2007-12-10, 04:16 PM

well that is the whole thing
basically Teela is reduced to being just an affiliate of her own site

the site uses her name on the whois etc etc she has all the legal risk and its her nude pics and videos and in the end she is just an affliate

Nifield doesnt have to worry about his mother seeing naked pics him or being recognized at the mall etc etc

NY Jester · 2007-12-10, 04:40 PM

Tommy, I followed you until the naked pics and being recognized. I dont think anyone put a gun to her head to pose, thats her choice. Im with you on the taking the risk and responsibility of the site and things of that nature but if she were worried about being noticed by neighbors/family/friends maybe being a featured porn actress may not be the wisest of career moves. She needs a sit down, with or without a lawyer and hash out a contract that will be beneficial to all parties involved. Just my opinion.

Toby · 2007-12-10, 05:04 PM

Nearly a year ago Teela/Denis were given alot of good advice on this board and on at least one other. As far as I can tell they chose to ignore most of that advice. We're now seeing the consequences of those choices. But that's water under the proverbial bridge at this point.

What I find most disturbing in this whole ordeal over the last few days, regardless of who is or isn't being cheated, is that the actions taken have been with total disregard to existing affiliates. Once you open an affiliate program and ask others to promote your product then anything you decide to do in regards to that product must take into consideration the effects it will have on those affiliates.

As for being seen and recognized, no sympathy here either. That comes with the territory.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-12-13, 12:33 PM

I'll throw my two cents in here, just because, well, because I've got two cents. First, it seems like a big mess between Teela (Melissa) and her roomate (Dennis) and Reilly. I don't think it's all that difficult to determine who the "players" are in this situation. Teela is the girl in the movies, Dennis is the guy in the movies, and Reilly is the person who was originally supposed to get 20% of the revenue. As for who was posting as Teela, yep it'd be nice to know who you're talking to but not an utter necessity. Their business problems are just that, their business problems and not really my business.

As for the website, the members section is open for all to view so the folks that signed up are not getting screwed because they can still see what they paid for...so what if everyone can see that right now.

Teela and Dennis, Reilly too if you're still involved...hope ya'll all work it out to everyone's satisfaction.

When ya'll get the site accepting new paying members again, I'll be glad to promote it in my amateurs section: http://debauchery.com/nudeamateurs.htm

PM me here, or icq me when you're ready, if you're interested.

Good luck to all of you.

CJS

Beaver Bob · 2007-12-13, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

As for the website, the members section is open for all to view so the folks that signed up are not getting screwed because they can still see what they paid for...so what if everyone can see that right now.

what sucks is that the webmasters who are sending traffic are giving their surfers free access to a members area.

Bobc01 · 2007-12-13, 12:59 PM

They'll both probably be serving burgers next week.

Toby · 2007-12-13, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobc01

They'll both probably be serving burgers next week.

yawantfrieswiththat?

Bobc01 · 2007-12-13, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby

yawantfrieswiththat?

lol yeah, just aslong as they don't jiz in the milkshake.

LeRoy · 2007-12-13, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobc01

lol yeah, just aslong as they don't jiz in the milkshake.

Unless it's Teela's . But are we sure it's from Teela?

Bobc01 · 2007-12-13, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by D2222

Unless it's Teela's . But are we sure it's from Teela?

Well even if it was hers it's gonna have his in it so best to play it safe i guess.

Jim · 2007-12-13, 01:01 PM

I have been screwed out of a 20% percent deal myself and it sucks. Not taking one side or another but it does hurt.

And, I used to do business with a couple of different women. They both had husbands that never posted or talked on icq. When I ran into them at a show, neither woman knew what I was talking about when I discussed business. Of course their husbands knew everything

Having the fact that I was lied to about who I was talking to ended all business relationships.

If you can't trust who you are talking to, what about them can you trust?

SheepGuy · 2007-12-13, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim

I have been screwed out of a 20% percent deal myself and it sucks. Not taking one side or another but it does hurt.

And, I used to do business with a couple of different women. They both had husbands that never posted or talked on icq. When I ran into them at a show, neither woman knew what I was talking about when I discussed business. Of course their husbands knew everything

Having the fact that I was lied to about who I was talking to ended all business relationships.

If you can't trust who you are talking to, what about them can you trust?

I hear ya! That's why I like skype, or even a plain old phone. If someone can't be honest with you about what sex they are, how far should you trust them?

tigermom · 2007-12-14, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I hear ya! That's why I like skype, or even a plain old phone. If someone can't be honest with you about what sex they are, how far should you trust them?

I can vouch that you do NOT sound like a girl, Sheepguy!

Bobc01 · 2007-12-14, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tigermom

I can vouch that you do NOT sound like a girl, Sheepguy!

Being a jock he does dress like one.

SheepGuy · 2007-12-14, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobc01

Being a jock he does dress like one.

Hmm.. only on special occasions

You've got to be secure in your masculinity to wear a kilt on a cold day

SheepGuy · 2007-12-14, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tigermom

I can vouch that you do NOT sound like a girl, Sheepguy!

LOL! And you are definitely all woman

That sultry Sabra accent is a kilt raiser as well

Jim · 2007-12-14, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I hear ya! That's why I like skype, or even a plain old phone. If someone can't be honest with you about what sex they are, how far should you trust them?

There was no skype back then. It's kind of sad...unless I speak or meet the webmaster that claims to be a woman in person, I assume they are lying.

Well, not everyone, but a lot.

spacemanspiff · 2007-12-14, 10:48 AM

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Generally speaking, talent can be trusted about as far as you can throw them.

Generally speaking, some people should keep their opinions to themselves, you being one of them.

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what sucks is that the webmasters who are sending traffic are giving their surfers free access to a members area.

Just a thought....STOP!!!

GunnCat · 2007-12-14, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spacemanspiff

Generally speaking, some people should keep their opinions to themselves, you being one of them.

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but producers deal with problems like this all the time. Of course it's not always like that, which is why I made the comment about being 'generally speaking'.

GonZo · 2007-12-14, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim

There was no skype back then. It's kind of sad...unless I speak or meet the webmaster that claims to be a woman in person, I assume they are lying.

Well, not everyone, but a lot.

Serge and Mike AI both have told you they were sorry.
hahaahaha

GunnCat · 2007-12-13, 06:18 PM

Generally speaking, talent can be trusted about as far as you can throw them.

NY Jester · 2007-12-13, 11:47 PM

I agree Bob..webmasters that were promoting them heavy, are losing out in the long run. Wasted bandwidth for zero return. Im sure as anyone is concerned this program is dead.

reggs12 · 2009-06-08, 03:23 PM

Wow that sounds like a royal screw job. Don't fret that shit will come back to him in spades.

Torn Rose · 2009-06-08, 03:47 PM

Welcome to almost 2 years ago...

2007-12-10, 12:17 PM	#1
NY Jester ICQ:147079406 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RockMEHardplace Posts: 2,996	Just to touch on what Tommy said. I can vouche that it can and in most cases "happen" to you. I wasnt "screwed" so to speak, but I was working pretty much exclusively with a couple during my first years as an adult webmaster. We had contracts in place and re-upped them every 6 months. Well after the site had grown, following the 2nd year of working with them they decided that they no longer wanted a partnership and took the responsibility on themselves. The site had been established, they were retaining members for an avg. of 2 months after initial signup and went at it alone. I had no choice and after my rebills stopped so did the cash flow. It was an investment in time, that had paid off for a short period, but I had only put my "eggs" in one basket. And even though I had done all the work to get the traffic to the site, designed the site, revamped the site, it was STILL their site. They owned the domain, they owned the content, the hosting, the ccbill account, I was just merely an affiliate - so to speak. And once they decided to go in another direction and not renew our contract, I was left with no income from all the hard work. Live and Learn. It works both ways. All parties involved in this will bounce back, if they have any intentions of staying with the adult business. __________________ The Sexy Side of Porn

2007-12-10, 04:16 PM	#2
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	well that is the whole thing basically Teela is reduced to being just an affiliate of her own site the site uses her name on the whois etc etc she has all the legal risk and its her nude pics and videos and in the end she is just an affliate Nifield doesnt have to worry about his mother seeing naked pics him or being recognized at the mall etc etc __________________ Accepting New partners

2007-12-10, 04:40 PM	#3
NY Jester ICQ:147079406 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RockMEHardplace Posts: 2,996	Tommy, I followed you until the naked pics and being recognized. I dont think anyone put a gun to her head to pose, thats her choice. Im with you on the taking the risk and responsibility of the site and things of that nature but if she were worried about being noticed by neighbors/family/friends maybe being a featured porn actress may not be the wisest of career moves. She needs a sit down, with or without a lawyer and hash out a contract that will be beneficial to all parties involved. Just my opinion. __________________ The Sexy Side of Porn

2007-12-10, 05:04 PM	#4
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	Nearly a year ago Teela/Denis were given alot of good advice on this board and on at least one other. As far as I can tell they chose to ignore most of that advice. We're now seeing the consequences of those choices. But that's water under the proverbial bridge at this point. What I find most disturbing in this whole ordeal over the last few days, regardless of who is or isn't being cheated, is that the actions taken have been with total disregard to existing affiliates. Once you open an affiliate program and ask others to promote your product then anything you decide to do in regards to that product must take into consideration the effects it will have on those affiliates. As for being seen and recognized, no sympathy here either. That comes with the territory. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2007-12-13, 12:33 PM	#5
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	I'll throw my two cents in here, just because, well, because I've got two cents. First, it seems like a big mess between Teela (Melissa) and her roomate (Dennis) and Reilly. I don't think it's all that difficult to determine who the "players" are in this situation. Teela is the girl in the movies, Dennis is the guy in the movies, and Reilly is the person who was originally supposed to get 20% of the revenue. As for who was posting as Teela, yep it'd be nice to know who you're talking to but not an utter necessity. Their business problems are just that, their business problems and not really my business. As for the website, the members section is open for all to view so the folks that signed up are not getting screwed because they can still see what they paid for...so what if everyone can see that right now. Teela and Dennis, Reilly too if you're still involved...hope ya'll all work it out to everyone's satisfaction. When ya'll get the site accepting new paying members again, I'll be glad to promote it in my amateurs section: http://debauchery.com/nudeamateurs.htm PM me here, or icq me when you're ready, if you're interested. Good luck to all of you. CJS Last edited by CaptainJSparrow; 2007-12-13 at 12:36 PM..

2007-12-13, 12:59 PM	#7
Bobc01 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 817	They'll both probably be serving burgers next week.

2007-12-13, 01:01 PM	#12
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I have been screwed out of a 20% percent deal myself and it sucks. Not taking one side or another but it does hurt. And, I used to do business with a couple of different women. They both had husbands that never posted or talked on icq. When I ran into them at a show, neither woman knew what I was talking about when I discussed business. Of course their husbands knew everything Having the fact that I was lied to about who I was talking to ended all business relationships. If you can't trust who you are talking to, what about them can you trust?

2007-12-13, 06:18 PM	#22
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	Generally speaking, talent can be trusted about as far as you can throw them.

2007-12-13, 11:47 PM	#23
NY Jester ICQ:147079406 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RockMEHardplace Posts: 2,996	I agree Bob..webmasters that were promoting them heavy, are losing out in the long run. Wasted bandwidth for zero return. Im sure as anyone is concerned this program is dead. __________________ The Sexy Side of Porn

2009-06-08, 03:23 PM	#24
reggs12 Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 11	Wow that sounds like a royal screw job. Don't fret that shit will come back to him in spades. __________________ Who's the BOS?

2009-06-08, 03:47 PM	#25
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	Welcome to almost 2 years ago...