New free site format (version 1.5)

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

...I offer one simple rule for discussion:
We accept free sites without warning page if you will add ICRA or RTA meta tags to your site HTML code....[/url]

Kit - you are such a fucking moron that it baffles my mind how you got to where you are now (well, except that you copied an established format, but that's another story)

Follow me for 2 seconds: the RTA label is part of ASACP - we all know this. The ASACP has a list of what they call "industry best practices":
http://www.asacp.org/page.php?content=best_practices
It's a list of things that we, as adult website owners, should follow. One of those things, oddly enough, IS TO HAVE A FUCKING WARNING PAGE. The RTA label is supposed to go on your warning page!

I haven't even read the rest of this thread yet, but I will also say that, while I find my ego being inflated as I type, anyone that is moronic enough to re-invent the LinkList/FreeSite concept without discussing it on this board does not belong in the business.

Gimme 15 & I'll shoot down the rest of your ideas

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

This is not a big secret, traffic leave Link Sites last years, especially after Google algo sfiting last 12 motnhs.

If you were a Free Site submitter you'd have been banned for Grammar & Spelling Errors If you look at all the major Link Lists over the last 5+ years, it's almost all ebbs & flows. Sometimes we're high, sometimes we're low. It's always been like this & I assume that it always will. I say "assume" because, like everyone else reading this thread, I don't know what Google's really doing. I just base what I assume on what's happened in the past. My bet is that you have never had the bottom fall out. You've never lost 96.67% of his search engine traffic. My suggestion to you is to ride it out. Stop assuming that it's everyone else's site & that everyone else has to change to better you.

Originally Posted by kit

...Free sites is a bad quality site in therms of Google because:
1) They never updates.
2) Text content duplicates many times and equal texts of hundreds other free sites.
3) They don't have new incoming links after initial listing in Link Sites....

1 - Your idea doesn't have pages that update either.
2 - Your idea will still have mirror sites with different recips.
3 - Your idea does not have new incoming links either.

Originally Posted by kit

...Benefits:
1) There is no reason to keep warning page if you add special meta tags to HTML code.
2) Therefore free site layout become more usefull for surfing. Content can be accessed by two clicks instead 3 clicks before.
3) Decrease free sites mirroring...

1 - I've shot that down already.
2 - why not remove the main page & just link to the galleries? OH wait.....
3 - See 2 above.

Originally Posted by kit

....PS. Read initial discussion on Master-X here (russian text)

Oh Yeah! Invite a group of English speaking webmasters to jump into a discussion on a foreign language board. Another BRILLIANT fucking idea

(my spell-checker went off 5 times - 4 times I had to hit "ignore")

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

Interesting. But will everyone else accept fs 1.5?...

Everyone? No. But I'm also betting that ZERO Link List owners that frequent this board will accept them either.

Originally Posted by Licker4U

All this does is knock out one whole page of ads and possible sales....

That's always been one of the selling points of building Free Sites.

Originally Posted by TekAngel

I don't understand how is this going to "Decrease free sites mirroring"...

It doesn't. Assuming that everyone changed, you'd still have the same number of mirrors, but now it's main page mirrors instead of warning page mirrors.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...This is a great idea and a great discussion. I *think* even himself may have said that the free site has needed to be revamped for quite some time.

I was thinking more along the lines of 3 & 4 gallery Free Sites (and if my mind was normal, I'd have suggested that a year ago)

Originally Posted by Preacher

I like the idea of streamlining freesite navigation, especially from a linklists perception...

Have you surfed your Free Sites lately?

Originally Posted by ponygirl

...I like the idea of having to put the tags in there...

That's the ONLY good idea Kit has.

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I like it. I like it a lot!
When I first started building free sites (way back when, not in the last few years) it wasn't so regimented and they all didn't look the same. Any ideas that will allow a little more creativity are fine by me, and might even convince me to build fs's again.
Whether I do or not I'll definitely list free sites that don't fit the standard warning-main-gallery1-gallery2 grind. I'm listing some galleries now because the free site model is boring to me, and I would imagine it's boring to surfers as well.
I believe it is time for some free-thinking, and some changes to the rigid rules so many LL's live by.
Shit, if somebody was to send me a site made up of 3 galleries with no warning page I'd list it.

How does going from warning-main-gallery1-gallery2 to main-gallery1-gallery2-gallery3 allow for more creativity? If anything, it's a decrease in creativity, as you are removing a page that is designed very differently from the other 3 & adding another copy of the gallery template.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...Most free site builders put ZERO effort in to SEO or effective sales text on any of their pages...

WAIT! HOLD THE PHONE! After reading that & then re-reading Kit's post, I have a new way of thinking! Kit's not worried about his SE traffic. He's worried about YOURS! Think about it. He's not changing the structure of his Link List, he's asking you to change so that you get more hits from Google! Well fuck me! Kit deserves a metal or some other prestigious award. Putting all Free Site builders ahead of himself, tracking the listings of Free Sites in Google for years & years & years & coming up with this fantastic concept! I think everyone should bow down & kiss the ground that Kit walks on! B-R-A-V-O!

(excuse me while I throw up)

Back to Useless's statement - Kit thinks that his plan will benefit Free Site listings in Google. There is no other way to look at this, as he says "google" or "SE" 5 times in his 1st 7 sentences. And what you put up there about "ZERO effort" is a big part of the problem. People get out what they put in & SE's are no different. If you have all your Free Sites on a domain that are not linked to a hub on the index page, you either have no concern about SE traffic (which is fine) or your not educated enough on SE methods to be worried about it. I use this as one example of MANY things that webmasters can do to better their sites in SE's. Removing one page & adding another to a small area of your network is not going to increase or decrease your SE listings.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Greenie

WAIT! HOLD THE PHONE! After reading that & then re-reading Kit's post, I have a new way of thinking! Kit's not worried about his SE traffic. He's worried about YOURS! Think about it. He's not changing the structure of his Link List, he's asking you to change so that you get more hits from Google!

Sounds great to me. I'm sold.

All I'm saying is that the topic playing with the format is worthy of discussion. I don't agree with Kit's SEO assertions, but I'm also not certain that I'm fully comprehending it. I'm not an SEO. The idea of altering the free site has been put on the table a few times and you, my sexy green friend, have had quite a few ideas yourself. You just haven't gone public with them. If you do, please post them in English so that I can read them.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Sergeyka

...Free site add in Russian LLs, no mirrors unique text content

Before we go any further, I think we need to hear from the French Link List & Free Site Coalition as well.

Originally Posted by Sergeyka

It is necessary to believe

To criticize always it is easy

No, it's not. See, over here, we have this thing called Freedom Of Speech and while it's not a perfect system, we do have the right to question what we do not agree with & not just blindly follow what we are told is right.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...All I'm saying is that the topic playing with the format is worthy of discussion. I don't agree with Kit's SEO assertions, but I'm also not certain that I'm fully comprehending it. I'm not an SEO. The idea of altering the free site has been put on the table a few times and you, my sexy green friend, have had quite a few ideas yourself. You just haven't gone public with them. If you do, please post them in English so that I can read them.

I do have ideas & I really wish this sleep apnea thing didn't run (and ruin) my life for the last 12 months, otherwise I know I'd have brought them up for discussion.

[jds]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Before we go any further, I think we need to hear from the French Link List & Free Site Coalition as well.

lol, Ok I'm giving my opinion then

This thread is typically the thread you know nothing's gonna move with.
Freesite is designed to convert as is, loooking for ways to improve it is adminitting you don't know how to convert with it. Nothing more

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

Difficult and not clear access to the picture and video content - one of the reason, why bookmarkers drop our stone age LL and go to the TGP or Tubes.
Come one, let's try to make 10 pages between surfer and content. You think you will maximize your profit and traffic?...

Do you remember back in 98 or 99 when a majority of Link List owners banned Full Page Ads between the warning & main pages? I remember this, because I was one of those Link Lists. Free Site builders bitched & complained that we were cutting down on their ad space. 9-10 years later, you're gonna tell me that I think there are too many pages on a Free Site!?!?!?!?!

Originally Posted by kit

...I suppose, better do not limit the recips number at all. Just don't mention it in the submit rules. BTW, I have no such limitations.

Neither do I.

Originally Posted by kit

1) I hope, there is less FS mirrors will burn. There is no reason to link to 40 links sites and make at least less mirrors. 1.5 format is more classic 1.0 format than future 2.0 format, but I don't ready to discuss the 2.0 FS conception. GG will ban me. ;-)...

Don't even joke about being banned. There's been one banning on this board based on the poster's opinion and that was because he was attacking a respected member of the board (as well as a personal friend) The fact is that your 1.5 does NOT cut down on mirrors. I don't mind 20, 30, 40 recips on a site, as long as they are laid out properly. I have no idea why people that are on your side keep assuming that there is an issue with the number of recips. If a Free Site builder is making 2 versions with 20 recips on each, that's their business.

Originally Posted by kit

...2. Very good question. In fact yes, longer session is cause of more sales. (we actually force surfer click to the couple links before content.) Another thing is a usability ballance. Today classic FS is abolutely worse for 99% surfers and they go to the TGP and than to the Tubes. 5 years ago, classic FS was like a small piece of gold, 10 years ago it was like a diamond. 15 years ago one porn page built in the totally dark garage (PK, LOR, etc.) made their owners rich.
Time changes and nowaday surfers drop us and go to the much more usable sites. Lets simplify FS and make it more usable for the surfers? Yes, the number of the possible sales contacts will decreased, but bookmarkers will stay on LL.

Link Lists have ALWAYS been less attractive to surfers than TGP's. Hell, I used to tell my friends to go to Ampland because I liked his site better! But that doesn't mean that Link Lists don't have a good solid base of traffic. Regardless of SE, I know my site can send good quality targeted traffic to Free Site owners each & every day.

Penisbot was registered in June 2000, right? Don't talk to me about what happened 10 or 15 years ago. That'd be like me telling Richard or Persian Kitty how it was back in 95 or 96.

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Kit - my main two questions are:

1 - Why do you want to eliminate the warning page or warning text?

2 - Why do all these examples of 1.5 Free Sites have the recips on the left hand side?

Let's go from there. I really want to discuss this with you.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by jds

This thread is typically the thread you know nothing's gonna move with.
Freesite is designed to convert as is, loooking for ways to improve it is adminitting you don't know how to convert with it. Nothing more

Know-nothings?

Who the fuck are you? I hope you fall into a bucket of AIDS and die a slow, miserable death, you idiotic cunt-faced nobody. May your tiny cock leak burning puss and your eyeballs bleed acid, you worthless shit. YOU BRING NOTHING TO THE GODDAMNED TABLE.

How fucking dare anyone think outside of the box! How dare anyone suggest a slightly different method of doing things and HOW FUCKING DARE ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS IT or pick it up and run with it. You know, just because you wander past a flock of sheep in a field, grazing and waiting to be raped by a farmhand, doesn't mean that you have to get on all fours and start ruminating and chewing straw.

I'm not some damned clueless newbie and I will NOT be addressed like one. And I am not FUCKED IN THE HEAD.

How many of you cocksuckers have even attempted to read the thread on Master X? I did. Google's translator sucks balls, but I tried to understand as much as I could. I wanted to know what other webmasters outside of this small cocooned community were discussing and what their arguments were, for and against, this change in template. I'd love to sit on high and summarily dismiss shit without a second thought. But I can't. If I can find a way to earn another dime in this rotten fucking business, by golly, I'm going to. Maybe you'd be surprised, but the webmasters at Massive X brought up the same pros and cons and they have the exact same doubts there too, SEO and otherwise.

What I don't understand is, what is so offensive about this idea, which amounts to nothing more than a voluntary template change? No one is saying that if some of us decide to build differently that GG and DD better accept out sites - or else we'll cry really, really loudly. GG says he has no cap on the amount of recips and doesn't care if we link to the galleries from the index - so what's the problem? If it's just the warning, why explode? Why not say, everything is fine, but you still need some sort of warning? If I was opposed to this template change, I hope my reaction would have been along the lines of, "I don't think this will help, but it doesn't hurt me, so I don't care what you do."

Warning page this, warning page that. Look at how many 'warning' pages have a a tiny chunk of warning text just above the enter link, after you've just scrolled past three banners displaying a 14 inch cock resting on a chick's face. Unless you have a hidden rule about no hardcore above the fold and the warning text has to be up there too, then you don't really care about the warning. I'm not sure what the warning page standard is, but I assume it's a lot like the standard that says the word Penisbot has to be kit's recips and Nee Dee has to be on R-occo's recips and Debauchery has to be on Spaceman's recips, but Link-o-Rama doesn't have to be on GG's recips.

Even though some us had already begun to discuss the issue calmly and intelligently, others felt the need to attack from the start, to be condescending and insulting. It's a shame, because it would have been nice to hear more opinions from free site submitters, instead being shut down by people who haven't submitted a free site in years, who don't care whether or not free site submitters might be able to work with some changes and might just think that they could make another buck.

[Sergeyka]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Kit - you are such a fucking moron that it baffles my mind how you got to where you are now (well, except that you copied an established format, but that's another story)

Follow me for 2 seconds: the RTA label is part of ASACP - we all know this. The ASACP has a list of what they call "industry best practices":
http://www.asacp.org/page.php?content=best_practices
It's a list of things that we, as adult website owners, should follow. One of those things, oddly enough, IS TO HAVE A FUCKING WARNING PAGE. The RTA label is supposed to go on your warning page!

I haven't even read the rest of this thread yet, but I will also say that, while I find my ego being inflated as I type, anyone that is moronic enough to re-invent the LinkList/FreeSite concept without discussing it on this board does not belong in the business.

Gimme 15 & I'll shoot down the rest of your ideas

TGP gallery without warning page |badidea|
This format
http://thepurelinks.com/tmp/f2.gif

without mirrors and submit in 30-50 LL's

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Sergeyka

TGP gallery without warning page |badidea|
This format
http://thepurelinks.com/tmp/f2.gif

without mirrors and submit in 30-50 LL's

So you want to put up to 50 recip links on that page?

[Sergeyka]

Originally Posted by Greenie

So you want to put up to 50 recip links on that page?

Certainly!
And no mirrors!

Otherwise it is senseless