New free site format (version 1.5)

[Useless]

Originally Posted by HarryM

Another thing that might be worth thinking about is if you use 40 recips with their matching categories, that's 80 out-going links on one page. Is that good?

Look at blogs. Hell, look at the amount of outgoing links on link lists, TGPs, any site - hundreds of outgoing links per page. Let's not forget that when you link out to 40+ link lists from your Pr0 warning pages, 40+ indexed and ranked link list category pages are LINKING BACK TO IT. It serves both sides, the submitter and the list owner.

Free site builders should be giving this concept some serious thought. Being allowed to place 40+ recips on a single page would make the average submitter's life so much more simple.

If someone doesn't think that a free site index could or should be a solid SEO page, then why would they care about how many recips you place on it? I really wish more people around here would think about this for awhile and give it some real thought. Think about how SEs might react to one of your free sites if 40+ link lists were linking to it. Yes, 40+ PR pages linking TO your free site, instead of 10-15 linking to a mirror that isn't going to get indexed because it's dupe content. That does you no favors and certainly doesn't do shit for the link lists which are leaking juice to it.

I've been discussing this with other people who agree, at least partially, with this new model. So far, we like the idea of more recips, fewer mirrors. But I think very few people are willing to lose the main page. I personally think a warning page on a free site is nonsense unless it's at the domain's root, but I've always felt that way. If anyone else has some input on furthering this discussion, other than telling me to fuck myself, please post your ideas and questions, or PM me if you wish. We'll probably end up creating a list of link lists which are willing to accept this partially modified model. Outside of a few notable exceptions, I'm betting that most link lists will eventually accept them. If I'm wrong, I'll close submits on my newer, better link list and only list HFS. I swear to the god of your choice.

[Waka-Jawaka]

Seems it would be easier to build one freesite with 40-50+ recip links then build several mirrors, especially if it would be one-link recip to LL domain root.
Well, one standart text recip table, no need to make all these mirrors, it may be the reason for fs builders to submit to a bunch of smaller LLs, they never submitted before.
I dont know, if major LLs would appreciate 40+ recip tables, but for smaller LLs it may be a chance to draw more quality freesite builders. No?

[SheepGuy]

As a LL owner I'd love to be in a recip table with 39 other LL's. It would be good for me provided that none of the other recips were of the "Free Porn Here" variety, meaning they couldn't be considered blind links by anyone.
If the only change that comes out of this discussion is that, I'll be a happy dude.
As an occasional fs builder, I don't think about SEO at all when I build, but if I could put 40 recips on a site I'd submit it to 20 more sites than I submit to now.
About the warning page, I'd accept fs's without one, I accept galleries, so why not? As a fs builder I'd like to experiment with fs's without a warning page, but an extra gallery.

I'm open to change that makes sense, not all of kit's ideas makes sense to me, especially re the placement of the recip table, but some of his ideas are worth messing around with.

[LD]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

As a LL owner I'd love to be in a recip table with 39 other LL's.

Good point, and this could be of benefit to some of the newer, smaller list if their recip were placed with the big boys.

I have been rejected for having more than 16 recips at a couple of places, however this is rare and probably not a big consideration.

But what if you wanted to submit to more than 40 list...what if it were 100? I guess you're back to making mirrors...either that or have 100 recips per page. I usually submit to 64 to 68 list, so if 40 were the limit, I'd have to drop some or do a mirror, which is something this 1.5 thing is supposed to eliminate..

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Look at blogs. Hell, look at the amount of outgoing links on link lists, TGPs, any site - hundreds of outgoing links per page. Let's not forget that when you link out to 40+ link lists from your Pr0 warning pages, 40+ indexed and ranked link list category pages are LINKING BACK TO IT. It serves both sides, the submitter and the list owner.

There are huge differences in site structure and linking when comparing free sites to blogs, tgp or link lists. You really need to think about that subject a little more to see the light. Blogs, tgp and link lists are in constant change. Adding pages, adding links, etc. A free site does not. Therefore, it is not treated the same in the search engines eyes.

I have built a few free sites that were text rich and seo'd to the max. I did get good listings in the serps (a few #1) and noticed the link juice dropped as did the listings as they came off the 'new' listings in the link lists.

Did I forget anything?