Visitors believe that they buy the sample galleries

[Bobc01]

Well here's a hint for Celdric, i have to get front page translations for 3 other languages, i wouldn't even attempt it without going through native speakers.

[Celdric]

Originally Posted by Greenie

"They see a gallery and read that it's to buy" That's bad sales text.

It probably is a language problem - find a paysite that have a version in your native language & market that site to people in your country using you own language.

I don't market porn to Spanish speaking people - feel free to ask me why

I just mentioned the language as possible reason why it's difficult for me to express my points and thoughts here in the forum as clear as I would like.

My site runs pretty well and is raising. I see the hits arriving at my sponsors, but it annoyes me to see how few people sign up finally.
Can be I send the wrong traffic to the wrong sponsors. I will find out.

Btw, I'm since a couple of years on web, but mostly as admin in mainstream forums. My adult site I have since a few month now. Turned out to be a harder job than I had expected. lol

However, from my experience as forum admin I know that it's a mistake to expect too much knowlegde from your visitors. Especially if you are a long time in the business everything about it appears to you totally clear and simple. And there is a risk that you tend to think it's for visitors also clear and simple. In fact it's not. Very many visitors have almost zero knowledge. You say. "hey, just click the enter button." And they answer "huh? What's an enter button." No kidding, we all know that they ask those questions. lol

Anyway, I thought perhaps it's the same with adult site visitors. Perhaps many have less knowlegde than we think they have. Perhaps many of them would like to buy something, but somehow it looks all so complicate and risky. So they refrain.

Perhaps, perhaps...yes. But it's worth to spend a thought on it in my opinion.

PS: So gallery templates in Spanish language are no real help? lol

Originally Posted by Lemmy

That would be a conversion ratio of 1:714 which isn't half bad at all. Maybe you're expecting too much?

1:714? Don't make me cry.
Can you imagine how long a manager of a real life adult shop would keep his job with such a conversion rate? They would watch it a few days and then kick his a*s.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Celdric

1:714? Don't make me cry.
Can you imagine how long a manager of a real life adult shop would keep his job with such a conversion rate? They would watch it a few days and then kick his a*s.

1st off, this is a board for webmasters that own/operate porn sites. You can type the word "ass" without the *. You can even type "fuck" & "cunt" if you like

Now, I have 2 things to say about your statement:

1 - based on a PPS averaging about $25, 1:714 is 3.5 center/click & that is a very respectable number (personally, I'm happy with anything over 2.0 cents) Surfers on a website are not the same as customers coming into a store.

2 - have you ever been in a video store where the dvd/tape was not in the display box? Does the customer think they are buying an empty box when they get to the register? If so, do you think the clerk sells them the empty box or do they explain to them that the dvd/tape is in the back & then go get it for them?

In the website world, you're the clerk. If your surfers think they are buying a gallery, it's your job to tell them otherwise. You do this with sales text.

[Celdric]

Originally Posted by Greenie

1st off, this is a board for webmasters that own/operate porn sites. You can type the word "ass" without the *. You can even type "fuck" & "cunt" if you like

Thanks for the hint. It's a remain from the years on mainstream boards.

Well, I see your points. I think I will give it a try and make a site in my mothertounge also.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Celdric

1:714? Don't make me cry.
Can you imagine how long a manager of a real life adult shop would keep his job with such a conversion rate?

I worked in an adult video rental shop in my younger days. Think of it this way - If you consider a gallery to be the same thing as a customer picking up a tape or DVD box and looking at the pictures on it, then I'd say a 1:714 ratio would be about average. Customers would come in, spend an hour looking at dozens of tape boxes, and then leave. It's the same thing with galleries. It takes work and skill to make something attractive enough to close a sale, particularly when there are 100s of other offerings right next to it.

And as Greenie says, for most sponsors, 1:714 is damn good. Only *very* specialized niche sites (like, say, Filipino transsexual foot fetish domination in graveyards) are gonna do consistently better, and even then only if you can drive the proper traffic to the site.

[Celdric]

It takes work and skill to make something attractive enough to close a sale, particularly when there are 100s of other offerings right next to it.

Lassiter, tell that the sponsors. I'm since a half year in the business now and today after looking at countless sponsor programs it appears to me that there is to much massware on the market which is almost impossible to sell. And each week sponsors are throwing more of this stuff on the market.

Okay, I think one can live with this situation, if one signs up with very many sponsors. You may earn just a little from each sponsor, but make your money with the sum of all sales.
But I don't want to sign up with 100, 200 or more sponsors. I think it must be possible to earn a good money by promiting just a handfull good sites. Or is it an impossible wish?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Celdric

Lassiter, tell that the sponsors. I'm since a half year in the business now and today after looking at countless sponsor programs it appears to me that there is to much massware on the market which is almost impossible to sell. And each week sponsors are throwing more of this stuff on the market.

Modern sponsors have educated themselves on traffic generation or have hired those who know how to do it. You won't see many sponsors anymore who you aren't competing against you for the same traffic. But that's business. If they can sell their product themselves, that makes them all the smarter.

Originally Posted by Celdric

I think it must be possible to earn a good money by promiting just a handfull good sites. Or is it an impossible wish?

Even if you are signed up to 100 sponsors, you'll see that it's only a handful which make you any money. Once you know which ones seem to convert best for you, put more effort in to promoting them. Just never limit yourself to only one or two.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by lassiter

Only *very* specialized niche sites (like, say, Filipino transsexual foot fetish domination in graveyards) are gonna do consistently better, and even then only if you can drive the proper traffic to the site.

Originally Posted by Celdric

But I don't want to sign up with 100, 200 or more sponsors. I think it must be possible to earn a good money by promiting just a handfull good sites. Or is it an impossible wish?

I promote micro-niche sites much like lassiter suggested. But, I needed to search through 100s of sponsors(1000s of sites) to find the best in each of the various micro-niches.

Most of the general industrial porn type sites I don't even bother with because the surfer can find tons of free stuff. Even the more general niches I want to see less than 1:500 before I push any heavy traffic to it.

[Celdric]

Modern sponsors have educated themselves on traffic generation or have hired those who know how to do it. You won't see many sponsors anymore who you aren't competing against you for the same traffic. But that's business. If they can sell their product themselves, that makes them all the smarter.

I agree. Although it's difficult sometimes. I think that no sponsor can ignore a profitable niche. They are forced to jump on the train, even when it means competing for the same traffic.

Well, that's okay as long as they are really serve the niche with more than just a matching domain name. There are still too many sponsors who have sensational looking niche sites in their lists, but no content inside to promote these sides.

I mean hard to imagine that they think that webmasters say "...okay, they tricked me in, but because I'm already here I will drop my plans and promote one of their other sides..."

Anyway, searching for good sponsors demands actually a big part of my worktime. Is that normal? Hey, if I had a wish free, I would drop even a night with Claudia Schiffer for a big list of sponsors approved and found usefull by successful veterans.

Originally Posted by tickler

I promote micro-niche sites much like lassiter suggested. But, I needed to search through 100s of sponsors(1000s of sites) to find the best in each of the various micro-niches.

Micro-niches, well, surely profitable. But my domain name is Sexworld. Not related to any niche. I can offer asian content (it's a tw domain) or all niche content in my opinion.
It's a litte off topic, but did you see any good Indian ones on your search for sponsors?