New free site format (version 1.5)

balls_deep · 2008-04-01, 01:40 AM

No one may care what I think but... If we list these sites we are loosing clicks no matter how you look at it. Do you want to give the surfer easy access to get off or do you want to make money?

Our current model works no matter how outdated it is;.

Maj. Stress · 2008-04-01, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by balls_deep

Our current model works no matter how outdated it is;.

It's not really outdated, it has just been around for a long time. And it has endured because it still works.

Anyone remember when coca-cola changed formulas to taste more like pepsi when they started to lose market share? It took them exactly 3 months to figure out they actually had a faithful following that disappeared just as fast as the old coca-cola vanished from the shelves.

The same principal could apply here.

tigermom · 2008-04-01, 05:35 AM

Quite the thread here, a nice mix of drama and business

Haven't been submitting for quite a few weeks now (way too busy with other projects and life in general), but I still consider myself "a submitter", so here's my 2 cents.

Yes, I think the freesite model could use some fresh ideas and thinking. No, I don't think the 1.5 model as kit outlines it addresses the core issues that I'd like to see addressed.

I would like to see more room for creativity. I'd like to see more flexibility rather than sticking to the usual 4 pages format. More specifically -

1. I'd like to see room for freesites that have more than one type of content. A mix of stories, pics and movies.

2. I'd like to see room for freesites with more galleries and fewer pics/movies per gallery.

3. I'd like to be able to have more than 3 outgoing links on a gallery page, or on any page for that matter. I'm not talking about banner farms or even link farms with some content at the bottom of the page. I'm talking about being able to highlight words in the text (in positions and context where they won't be blind links) and have some more leeway with text links, while retaining 3 blocks of ads per page (3 blocks but not 3 links).

4. I'd like to see freesites where some of the pages can have full-sized images and/or embedded flash movies rather than thumbnails.

5. Last but not least, I'd love to see more flexibility in recirocal linking. Could be links back from the root of the domain or from a links page in the FS, but not necessarily on the main or index page. If that links page was linked to from every page on the FS, for example, it may get just as much link juice and traffic as a table on the index page, and it would mean we don't do direct reciprocals either. Just a thought, and we might be able to come up with more creative ways.

I think as a surfer, I would have liked to see linklists that truly link to good quality free sites and not just freesites.

When I started in adult web publishing, I didn't even know there was a difference. I heard people mention they were making freesites and assumed there was some missing space there and they meant "free sites", i.e. sites where some amount of free porn is provided in order to lure the surfers into the paid sites.

I've only been doing adult for about two years, and I can only imagine how the FS format evolved (though I'd love to get educated there!). I guess the strict format evolved as a result of webmasters trying to spam LL's with banner farms and sites full of more links and spam than actual content.

I won't even say "as a linklist owner", because I don't consider XLEF.com to be a linklist in that sense. It's a directory to me, because it lists much more than the regular format of freesites. Anything which I feel to be of value to surfers, while not giving away too much free porn, will get listed, and recips don't even have to come from the site itself.

Which brings me to the last point - trusted submitters. I don't even have a submit page, I only take submissions via PM or emails from people I know from the board. My point being, that thinking about the amount of spam and junk the big LL's have to deal with makes me shudder. Having to review sites that don't even have a fixed format would have to be a total nightmare. So maybe the flexibility in formats should be limited to trusted submitters only?

And can't do without some samples

So here are some sites which are free sites but not freesites and I would list them (well, ok, they're mine, but I hope it gets the point across).

Black Sluts

Hottie Wives

LowryBigwood · 2008-04-05, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Maj. Stress

It's not really outdated, it has just been around for a long time. And it has endured because it still works.

Does it? My results may vary...

LowryBigwood · 2008-04-05, 12:12 AM

Also, IMHO if you standardize sites in such a way that has been described, you may make them easy targets for the search engines. Why doesn't each LL decide what they want to list instead of everyone trying to conform to one set of rules? Back in the day, this may have worked out well. I feel it's outdated now, but that's just my opinion.

kit · 2008-04-01, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by balls_deep

Our current model works no matter how outdated it is;.

Yes, somebody still use the horses. I do not adept of 1.5 FS format, but we try new formats to prevent link sites niche degradation.

Who think, we're not degradate, look into your traffic stats numbers for the last 5 years.

2008-04-01, 01:40 AM	#1
balls_deep If you really need money, you can sell your kidney or even your car Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 374	No one may care what I think but... If we list these sites we are loosing clicks no matter how you look at it. Do you want to give the surfer easy access to get off or do you want to make money? Our current model works no matter how outdated it is;. __________________ My Tattoo And Body Mod Blog Submit Blogs Or Freesites

2008-04-01, 05:35 AM	#3
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	Quite the thread here, a nice mix of drama and business Haven't been submitting for quite a few weeks now (way too busy with other projects and life in general), but I still consider myself "a submitter", so here's my 2 cents. Yes, I think the freesite model could use some fresh ideas and thinking. No, I don't think the 1.5 model as kit outlines it addresses the core issues that I'd like to see addressed. I would like to see more room for creativity. I'd like to see more flexibility rather than sticking to the usual 4 pages format. More specifically - 1. I'd like to see room for freesites that have more than one type of content. A mix of stories, pics and movies. 2. I'd like to see room for freesites with more galleries and fewer pics/movies per gallery. 3. I'd like to be able to have more than 3 outgoing links on a gallery page, or on any page for that matter. I'm not talking about banner farms or even link farms with some content at the bottom of the page. I'm talking about being able to highlight words in the text (in positions and context where they won't be blind links) and have some more leeway with text links, while retaining 3 blocks of ads per page (3 blocks but not 3 links). 4. I'd like to see freesites where some of the pages can have full-sized images and/or embedded flash movies rather than thumbnails. 5. Last but not least, I'd love to see more flexibility in recirocal linking. Could be links back from the root of the domain or from a links page in the FS, but not necessarily on the main or index page. If that links page was linked to from every page on the FS, for example, it may get just as much link juice and traffic as a table on the index page, and it would mean we don't do direct reciprocals either. Just a thought, and we might be able to come up with more creative ways. I think as a surfer, I would have liked to see linklists that truly link to good quality free sites and not just freesites. When I started in adult web publishing, I didn't even know there was a difference. I heard people mention they were making freesites and assumed there was some missing space there and they meant "free sites", i.e. sites where some amount of free porn is provided in order to lure the surfers into the paid sites. I've only been doing adult for about two years, and I can only imagine how the FS format evolved (though I'd love to get educated there!). I guess the strict format evolved as a result of webmasters trying to spam LL's with banner farms and sites full of more links and spam than actual content. I won't even say "as a linklist owner", because I don't consider XLEF.com to be a linklist in that sense. It's a directory to me, because it lists much more than the regular format of freesites. Anything which I feel to be of value to surfers, while not giving away too much free porn, will get listed, and recips don't even have to come from the site itself. Which brings me to the last point - trusted submitters. I don't even have a submit page, I only take submissions via PM or emails from people I know from the board. My point being, that thinking about the amount of spam and junk the big LL's have to deal with makes me shudder. Having to review sites that don't even have a fixed format would have to be a total nightmare. So maybe the flexibility in formats should be limited to trusted submitters only? And can't do without some samples So here are some sites which are free sites but not freesites and I would list them (well, ok, they're mine, but I hope it gets the point across). Black Sluts Hottie Wives __________________ XLEF

2008-04-05, 12:12 AM	#5
LowryBigwood Don't get discouraged; it's usually the last key that opens the lock... Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,203	2 more cents... Also, IMHO if you standardize sites in such a way that has been described, you may make them easy targets for the search engines. Why doesn't each LL decide what they want to list instead of everyone trying to conform to one set of rules? Back in the day, this may have worked out well. I feel it's outdated now, but that's just my opinion. __________________ Free Porn Buddy \| Porn Buddy Blog