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Old 2008-10-25, 11:10 AM   #1
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I thought that was really well done to get all the various expressions from obama and mccain and photochop them (or however they did that) into that video. MadHatter showed me this last night, I laughed my ass off.
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Old 2008-10-27, 10:18 PM   #2
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I can't wait to see how Obama dances when asked about
the newly released recording of the interview when he complained
that the government failed to "break free from the essential
contraints of the constitution", in order to accomplish
"redistribution of wealth". His full quote:

Quote:
The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution
of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic
justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people
try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical.
It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were
placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution
, at least as
it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the
same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative
liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the
federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the
federal government or state government must do on your behalf.
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Old 2008-10-29, 12:39 PM   #3
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I can't wait to see how Obama dances when asked about
the newly released recording of the interview when he complained
that the government failed to "break free from the essential
contraints of the constitution", in order to accomplish
"redistribution of wealth". His full quote:
I'm sure that must sound scary if interpreted through the FOX News filter and you are being told what it means and what to think instead of sitting back and doing some critical thinking. Misinterpretation is a wonderful thing.

Obama did not "complain about", state, or even imply that the courts/government should have redistributed wealth. Hell, look at the quote which you bolded "It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution" He referred to those constraints as essential.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200810280015
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Old 2008-10-29, 02:29 PM   #4
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Obama did not "complain about", state, or even imply that the courts/government should have redistributed wealth. Hell, look at the quote which you bolded "It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution
He called it a "tragedy" that the court FAILED to "bring about redistributive
change". I could understand you agreeing with Obama, if you were
the type with socialist tendencies that would be fine. However, I'm not
sure why you're trying to say he doesn't want to "redistribute" your money
when he's said exactly that at least a dozen times. Since you're apparently
a TV watcher, I'm sure you've seen Obama say it many times, perhaps
most clearly when he said "I think when you spread the wealth around".
Agree with him or disagree, but it makes no sense to deny that's his
position when he so clearly says it is.



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I'm sure that must sound scary if interpreted through the FOX News filter and you are being told what it means and what to think instead of sitting back and doing some critical thinking.
Actually instead of getting a four second sound bite from CNN or Fox
and letting them tell me what to think, I simply listened to Obama's interview.
Unlike Bush, Obama is a good speaker and he makes his meaning clear,
just as in Tennessee when he made it clear that he thought his bill
was unconstitutional but should be passed anyway so it would be on
the books for a few years before the court struck it down. The Koolaid
drinkers tried to play games and pretend he didn't mean what he said
then, too, but he makes his meaning quite clear when you listen
to him, his whole speech, rather than listening to CNN. I actually kind
of liked Obama until near the end of the primaries when he started
running radio ads in Texas. It was his own ads that made me realize
how damaging he will be. It was his radio ad that informed that that
he wanted to raise taxes on businesses and socialize health care.
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Old 2008-10-29, 05:19 PM   #5
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He called it a "tragedy" that the court FAILED to "bring about redistributive
change". I could understand you agreeing with Obama, if you were
the type with socialist tendencies that would be fine. However, I'm not
sure why you're trying to say he doesn't want to "redistribute" your money
when he's said exactly that at least a dozen times. Since you're apparently
a TV watcher, I'm sure you've seen Obama say it many times, perhaps
most clearly when he said "I think when you spread the wealth around".
Agree with him or disagree, but it makes no sense to deny that's his
position when he so clearly says it is.





Actually instead of getting a four second sound bite from CNN or Fox
and letting them tell me what to think, I simply listened to Obama's interview.
Unlike Bush, Obama is a good speaker and he makes his meaning clear,
just as in Tennessee when he made it clear that he thought his bill
was unconstitutional but should be passed anyway so it would be on
the books for a few years before the court struck it down. The Koolaid
drinkers tried to play games and pretend he didn't mean what he said
then, too, but he makes his meaning quite clear when you listen
to him, his whole speech, rather than listening to CNN. I actually kind
of liked Obama until near the end of the primaries when he started
running radio ads in Texas. It was his own ads that made me realize
how damaging he will be. It was his radio ad that informed that that
he wanted to raise taxes on businesses and socialize health care.
Spreading the wealth around can be done in a captialistic system. You don't have to be socialist to accomplish that. at any rate, the USA is trending toward socialism, which is a positive thing, imo.
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