Maybe I am just grumpy but....

Useless · 2009-05-22, 10:46 PM

I have no idea what the main point of this thread is because it seems like it's all over the place. (I'm not quite sure what diversity has to do with any of it.) But since Gitmo was mentioned at least twice, I feel the need to react to it. One should investigate how these alleged "enemy combatants" were gathered before making the brave assumption that they were all originally enemies and/or combatants. Our handling of the Gitmo detainees is a wonderful example of how two-faced we Americans are when it comes to our cherished freedoms and sense of justice. Freedom and justice for us -- fuck everyone else. Speedy trial, the right to know what we have been accused of, the evidence against us, defense counsel, etc, -- all that we consider integral to justice -- is tossed out the window for certain others and we couldn't care less. It's funny though: one American journalist was arrested and imprisoned in Iran after multiple warnings by Iran for her to leave, and Americans were pissed. It's a bitch always having to juggle these damned double standards.

Bill · 2009-05-23, 12:29 AM

Sorry Pagan, I'm yankin' your chain.

Your initial presentation is valid enough, and I don't think many would disagree with it's main points.

The political stuff seemed strange, in the context of the rest of the presentation.

It felt like a bait-and-switch, a 'false premise' argument. As if that were the real main point of your presentation, for which the rest was a kind of cover.

In modern political rhetoric, it's what's called a 'poison pill' argument.

It was probably more of a stream-of-conciousness thing, thoughts strung together as they poured out of the writing parts of the mind.

It's not like we don't all know there's still a big culture-war going on.

2009-05-22, 10:46 PM	#1
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I have no idea what the main point of this thread is because it seems like it's all over the place. (I'm not quite sure what diversity has to do with any of it.) But since Gitmo was mentioned at least twice, I feel the need to react to it. One should investigate how these alleged "enemy combatants" were gathered before making the brave assumption that they were all originally enemies and/or combatants. Our handling of the Gitmo detainees is a wonderful example of how two-faced we Americans are when it comes to our cherished freedoms and sense of justice. Freedom and justice for us -- fuck everyone else. Speedy trial, the right to know what we have been accused of, the evidence against us, defense counsel, etc, -- all that we consider integral to justice -- is tossed out the window for certain others and we couldn't care less. It's funny though: one American journalist was arrested and imprisoned in Iran after multiple warnings by Iran for her to leave, and Americans were pissed. It's a bitch always having to juggle these damned double standards. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2009-05-23, 12:29 AM	#2
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Sorry Pagan, I'm yankin' your chain. Your initial presentation is valid enough, and I don't think many would disagree with it's main points. The political stuff seemed strange, in the context of the rest of the presentation. It felt like a bait-and-switch, a 'false premise' argument. As if that were the real main point of your presentation, for which the rest was a kind of cover. In modern political rhetoric, it's what's called a 'poison pill' argument. It was probably more of a stream-of-conciousness thing, thoughts strung together as they poured out of the writing parts of the mind. It's not like we don't all know there's still a big culture-war going on.