why not cover our ass and link to sex addicts anonymous?

[security_man]

okay i was thinking about this the last time i was in vegas... ever notice all the signs saying "if your addicted to gambling call this number" or "take this pamphlett" or whatever?

why do they do that? its prolly a law, but even if it wasnt wouldnt it be a good PR move to do so anyway? and in that same vein wouldnt it be a good idea for us in the adult industry to do something similar?

i mean many of us link to cybersitter or netnanny and the like, why not link to some porn addiction help site too?

i bring it up here because im not sure how to go about it... i wonder if those organizations would be unhappy about porn sites linking to them or if they would be excited about it like gambling anonymous is with casinos showing their number

i guess another question would be ... would you do it? i mean if we dont start policing ourselves the govt is going to step up and start doing it for us, maybe its time to set up something similar to what the movie industry did when uncle sam was breathing down its neck? an Adult Website association which rates sites wouldnt be a bad idea (although the logistics would be an iron clad bitch to work out) i just dont have the power to make it happen. hell, there might even be somthing like that in existance but i just dont know about it...

anyway what do yall think?

[Mishi]

I think it's a very interesting idea, and worth looking into.

I think link list owners are going to have to do a lot of rethinking regarding outlinks in the days to come, at least regarding index pages.

In the long-ago past (in Internet terms, six months ago) I regulary built index pages with one link my sponsor, two links two other sites in my network, a link to the root of the directory where I had the free site, and a link to my 2257 info.

Yeah, good luck getting a site like THAT listed these days.

With Ashcroft doing his best to circumvent the usual legislative process and get 2257 "clarified" (ie, made even more incomprehensible than ever), we are all going to have to start working together more.

As a link list owner, I'm more than willing to make allowances for non-adult outlinks that help us all.

[airdick]

I'd rather cover my ass with a link to the First Ammendment.

Our right to view and publish erotica is guaranteed in the Bill Of Rights, regardless of whether or not a sex addict might end up spending too much time jerking off to free porn or get suckered into spending $39.95 on a paysite.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/first_amendment.html

[Cleo]

Sex addicts are our friends.

[qwebecexpo]

Originally posted by Cleo
Sex addicts are our friends.

But a self regulation wouldN,t hurt, if the govs, do it for us, it might be at en extreme mesure... Well maybe more strict than we would like it :2cents:

[Trax]

imnot going to waste 1 outbound for such crap
:2cents:

[security_man]

um airdick, im sorry but you are wrong, the first ammendmend does not apply to obscentity and the definition of obscenity is dependant upon "community standards" (whatever the hell those are)

my point is that if we take the time to make our product a bit more palitable to the "community" then we are far less likely to have a problem. ask any lawyer that has had any experiance in this relm and they will tell you - put a story on every page of every site because then it will fall under the protection of the first ammendment.

why do folks put links to netnanny and the other filtering software if this is such a nonsensicle idea? those are traffic leaks too. is it because we know kids dont have credit cards? is that the only reason to do that? is there no moral obligation on us to protect children from our product?

i think its time for the industry to grow up a bit and start at least trying to look legitimate. Flippant remarks about the first ammendment and how the govt is pursicuting us isnt going to fix the problem.

look at it this way... when you tell someone what you do for a living the first thing many of them ask is "you dont do that kiddy porn stuff do you?" - i mean jesus, my own mother asked me that... what does that say about the way the public views our industry?

we have to change the public perception or we are going to be hit very hard in the very near future no matter who is in office and no matter how much we protest about the freedom of speech.

[Bunnyhop]

Originally posted by security_man
is it because we know kids dont have credit cards?

I actually find teenagers nowadays with more credit cards than I do....heck my 15 year old sister has 3 CCs. Why do you think a lot of today's products cater to youth? Because now it's a market of impulsive people with money =)

Totally get your point though...just wanted to toss an off-topic post onto this thread.

Someone get Clinton back in office...he was good for porn.

[Jim]

Being a sex addict is most the time not what you are thinking. Most times, sex addicts are more looking for the hunt than the real deal. Once the Woman or Man says yes to a sex addicts advances, the sex addict usually steps away for another quest.

Anyway, if I thought that a link to sex addicts anonymous would help even just a little bit, I would put one up. But, being addicted to porn is not the same as being a sex addict.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Jim
if I thought that a link to sex addicts anonymous would help even just a little bit, I would put one up.

Ditto, my sentiments exactly.

[security_man]

well, is there a porn addicts annon? i know there are ministries who help folks with porn addiction and specifically online porn addiction so thats more what i was talking about... i wonder if they would be hip on being linked like that?

[Ms Naughty]

"Porn addiction" is a bogey that the right wingers and religious nuts have dreamt up to justify their hatred of porn.

I came to this conclusion when I did the research for Exexexchurch.

http://www.exexexchurch.com/factareenies.htm

"The number of individuals for whom Internet sex can be problematic appears consistent with estimates made of this problem in the population at large. E. Coleman (personal communication, May 1998) estimated that 5% of the general population deals with issues of sexual compulsivity. The slightly higher percentage (8.5%) found in our study can be explained by the sample being entirely made up of individuals who go on-line for sexual pursuits."

The number of people who have a problem with porn use is relatively small and seems to correlate to the percentage of people who are addictive in general.

(Far more people (45% of Americans) regularly, compulsively use church... but no one complains about that. LOL)

That's not to say these people shouldn't receive help, and a link to a sex addicts help site seems quite reasonable. Of course, you could just put the text without adding the link...

[doublep]

Hi SM!

If you feel strongly enough about it - go ahead and link to a site that can offer help for the addiction of pornography. If you can find a site/organisation in the States that can offer help, without a hidden agenda, i.e political or religious!

But... would it make you/us look more legitimate - I think not really. Why? Look at who we are up against - the media. Most of the stories you see in the media regarding the Internet, especially on the subject of pornography, are negative, and they always work in the subject of CP at every given opportunity - so, when you mention to someone that you work in online adult, the 'oh, you don't have anything to do with CP do you' question comes up. I was asked this question in conversation only last week. Now, had I said to that person, I just opened an adult shop on the high street - they most likely would not have even asked me that question.

The public have been brainwashed good and proper about the likes of us!

Cheers,

Paul.



edit for typo

[Blue_Spade]

Maybe we can get Mark or someone from the SoCalCash (now Naughty America) crew over here to comment. They actively place links to http://www.no-porn.com/ on the tour as well as the members area of their websites fighting porn addiction.

[sexVip]

Originally posted by Blue_Spade
Maybe we can get Mark or someone from the SoCalCash (now Naughty America) crew over here to comment. They actively place links to http://www.no-porn.com/ on the tour as well as the members area of their websites fighting porn addiction.

I was just about to post this

Here is how they link to it

http://www.fasttimesatnau.com/ref/4//warning.html

[dunkin]

Nothing like saying your customers are getting "suckered" into spending $39.95. Nice move.

[airdick]

Originally posted by dunkin
Nothing like saying your customers are getting "suckered" into spending $39.95. Nice move.

I guess you are replying to my post earlier in this thread.

When I used the term "suckered" I am referring what happens when surfers don't read the fine print in the customer TOS before they signup for some paysites that offer "Trial Memberships". I believe that sometimes surfers that are too lazy or too horny to read the fine print end up getting billed for full memberships that they never intended to buy when they signed up for a trial. The word "suckered" seems kind of harsh, but I can't think of better term to use to describe that sort of scenario.

BTW, congratulations on your nomination to BAA and best of luck!

[ecchi]

RE ""Porn addiction" is a bogey that the right wingers and religious nuts have dreamt up to justify their hatred of porn"

No, they do exist. A good friend of mine suffered from it. Ended up selling everything of value he owned to fund it, even lost his job over it. This was not on the internet (he did not own a computer), this was "hard copy" porn (Mags, videos, etc).

[anteyes]

Originally posted by airdick
I'd rather cover my ass with a link to the First Ammendment.

Our right to view and publish erotica is guaranteed in the Bill Of Rights, regardless of whether or not a sex addict might end up spending too much time jerking off to free porn or get suckered into spending $39.95 on a paysite.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/first_amendment.html

Awesome idea, heh

[lassiter]

Originally posted by ecchi

No, they do exist. A good friend of mine suffered from it. Ended up selling everything of value he owned to fund it, even lost his job over it.

Yep, and there are people who spend all their kid's food and school clothing budget on useless knick-knacks from eBay, or on Hummel figurines (shudder) or on DVDs, or on...

I think this is more of a general behavior syndrome - call it "impulse-buying syndrome," maybe. It's only newsworthy because some of these folks put their obsessive buying fixation on (gasp! horrors!) SEX!.

I think a link to an organization that wants to ban credit cards would be a more precise addressing of the issue (and of course as equally counter-productive to our industry as "porn-addiction" groups, were the busybodies to actually have any impact - which they won't). |rasta|

[Surfn]

Well said lassiter

[stev0]

Porn addiction... that's a tough one because everyone has a sex drive. And if you don't have a sex drive, THEN they say somethings wrong with you...

I haven't heard of too many people bankrupting themselves on a porn addiction though.

Although this site is funny... http://xxxchurch.com/

the message board is hillarious!

[doublep]

Originally posted by lassiter
I think this is more of a general behavior syndrome - call it "impulse-buying syndrome," maybe.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/shopping_addicts/

;-)

[Ms Naughty]

RE ""Porn addiction" is a bogey that the right wingers and religious nuts have dreamt up to justify their hatred of porn"
No, they do exist. A good friend of mine suffered from it. Ended up selling everything of value he owned to fund it, even lost his job over it. This was not on the internet (he did not own a computer), this was "hard copy" porn (Mags, videos, etc).

I probably should have said that the emphasis on the idea of addiction, and the scaremongering that goes on is the bogey. ie. the suggestion that all porn is addictive and that anyone who looks at porn is in extreme danger of addiction.

These people are essentially saying that porn is equivalent to nicotine.