Will LL, TGP and other sites give us a one month amnesty when 2257 is pass? - Page 2

plateman · 2004-08-18, 12:52 AM

You know every time someone posts on this 2257 stuff it raises more questions.. Say someone goes down - like bogus records or some BS reason, can they go back on the LL or tgp ??

Seems like the big guys make up the rules as they go - LOL

RawAlex · 2004-08-18, 02:02 AM

Shemp, sorry, I thought that was waht you had said.

The way this thread started, it sounded more like you were creating obligation rather than allowing what some people feel is a needed modification to thier galleries.

I do understand this, just thought something had changed when I wasn't looking. thanks for clearing that one up.

:-)

Alex

the New Shemp · 2004-08-18, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex
Shemp, sorry, I thought that was waht you had said.

The way this thread started, it sounded more like you were creating obligation rather than allowing what some people feel is a needed modification to thier galleries.

I do understand this, just thought something had changed when I wasn't looking. thanks for clearing that one up.

:-)
Alex

no problems

On-Rails · 2004-08-20, 09:26 AM

Hi All

I'm new here and was going to introduce myself in another thread but got all caught up reading this one. So hi to everyone.

I'm in a bit of a dilema with 2257. I live in Canada where we have just passed major privacy laws to protect peoples information.
Even large main stream compaines have to have links from their sites to privacy policies. No information of any kind from any person can be publicly displayed on a web site, in print magazines etc.

http://www.regulations.gov/freddocs/04-13792.htm

I have read this link on 2257 and as far as I see 2257 has already passed and they are now amending this law to add further insult to injury.

My Dilemas:

If I were to follow this Law I would be breaking the laws in my own country.

How will this effect traffic trades when I can still display hardcore on my main pages while others in the US can't?

How will this effect gallery submissions to my TGPs?

What about hardcore link back buttons I ask webmasters to use on their galleries? What about banners full page ads. Geez where does it stop.

So their you have it. Dazed and Confused by all of this.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

I'm waiting for a legal opinion from Canadian Internet attorneys of what I can do but need the advice from US webmasters for the other stuff like trades etc.

Thx all

romeoboi · 2004-08-20, 11:29 AM

I hear a lot of people worrying about changing pages... other than stuff that more extreme or hardcore, do we need to worry about run of the mill nudes or hardcore that is obviously legal and was produced & put on the internet before the new regulations become law? Is there any kind of grandfather period or intial period that is put in place to give people to get their shit together?

Frank · 2004-08-20, 06:36 PM

<<< figure it's going to take me at least one month to update all my pages and get all the proper IDs to comply with 2257.

If ya start right and do right ya never have to back track.

Having to go back phucks it all up.

Chot it up as a learning experience.

babymaker · 2004-08-21, 03:59 AM

this is too confusing. what about yahoo groups??? will they shut them down yahoo doesnt put 2257's. plus i never got a good answer to this??? if i live in US but am hosted in thailand which contries laws do i have to follow or do i have to follow both?? and what about this 8am to 6pm stuff, i am still part-time 12 hours a day lol, but i work online after 7pm at least, ussually would not be here from at least 11am to 6pm or 7. this will be a mess.

lassiter · 2004-08-21, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by babymaker
this is too confusing. what about yahoo groups??? will they shut them down yahoo doesnt put 2257's. plus i never got a good answer to this??? if i live in US but am hosted in thailand which contries laws do i have to follow or do i have to follow both?? and what about this 8am to 6pm stuff, i am still part-time 12 hours a day lol, but i work online after 7pm at least, ussually would not be here from at least 11am to 6pm or 7. this will be a mess.

If your "primary place of business" is in the US, then you are potentially subject to 2257 requirements (if you host hardcore or "explicit" images on any of your domains). The location of your webhost or server is irrelevant. If your checks are mailed to an address in the US, and you pay US taxes, then you're operating in the US for 2257 purposes. The important issue is at what location your 2257 records are kept. And yes, someone must be present at that location between 8am-6pm 7 days a week.

The Other Steve · 2004-08-22, 07:16 AM

Somebody asked earlier if link lists could be held accountable for what they link to.

Obviously in this case it is not clear - however there is a precedent that could perhaps be applied and you need to think about it.

A year or so ago a couple in Florida (I think it was Florida) were arrested and charged for running some CP sites. They subsequently went to jail for a long time.

The CP sites were linked to from other sites that the couple ran. Subsequent to that couple being arrested a number of other people were also arrested.

Those hapless people had innocently linked to those 'other sites' without realising that the 'other sites' contained links to CP.

I lost track of the case so I have no idea what happened to the other people who were arrested.

Slinx · 2004-08-23, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lassiter
If your "primary place of business" is in the US, then you are potentially subject to 2257 requirements (if you host hardcore or "explicit" images on any of your domains). The location of your webhost or server is irrelevant. If your checks are mailed to an address in the US, and you pay US taxes, then you're operating in the US for 2257 purposes. The important issue is at what location your 2257 records are kept. And yes, someone must be present at that location between 8am-6pm 7 days a week.

This 2257 requirements starting to confusing me. If only my server is in the US area and me not, I don't have to care about 2257? Or can the hosting company getting trouble?
|confused|

lassiter · 2004-08-23, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
This 2257 requirements starting to confusing me. If only my server is in the US area and me not, I don't have to care about 2257? Or can the hosting company getting trouble?
|confused|

Hosting companies and ISPs are specifically excluded from 2257.

Internet Definitions. To bring the
regulations up to date with the 2003
Amendments, the definition of a
producer has been modified in proposed
28 CFR 75.1. Persons who manage the
content of computer sites or services are considered secondary producers. An
Internet service provider (ISP) is not a
producer under this definition; ISPs merely provide individuals with access
to the Internet. See 47 U.S.C. 231(b).

2004-08-18, 12:52 AM	#26
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	You know every time someone posts on this 2257 stuff it raises more questions.. Say someone goes down - like bogus records or some BS reason, can they go back on the LL or tgp ?? Seems like the big guys make up the rules as they go - LOL __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2004-08-20, 11:29 AM	#30
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2004-08-21, 03:59 AM	#32
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	this is too confusing. what about yahoo groups??? will they shut them down yahoo doesnt put 2257's. plus i never got a good answer to this??? if i live in US but am hosted in thailand which contries laws do i have to follow or do i have to follow both?? and what about this 8am to 6pm stuff, i am still part-time 12 hours a day lol, but i work online after 7pm at least, ussually would not be here from at least 11am to 6pm or 7. this will be a mess. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2004-08-22, 07:16 AM	#34
The Other Steve Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 76	Somebody asked earlier if link lists could be held accountable for what they link to. Obviously in this case it is not clear - however there is a precedent that could perhaps be applied and you need to think about it. A year or so ago a couple in Florida (I think it was Florida) were arrested and charged for running some CP sites. They subsequently went to jail for a long time. The CP sites were linked to from other sites that the couple ran. Subsequent to that couple being arrested a number of other people were also arrested. Those hapless people had innocently linked to those 'other sites' without realising that the 'other sites' contained links to CP. I lost track of the case so I have no idea what happened to the other people who were arrested. __________________ Stories, serials, site descriptions, copy writing. - if you need words you need us

2004-08-18, 02:02 AM	#27
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Shemp, sorry, I thought that was waht you had said. The way this thread started, it sounded more like you were creating obligation rather than allowing what some people feel is a needed modification to thier galleries. I do understand this, just thought something had changed when I wasn't looking. thanks for clearing that one up. :-) Alex

2004-08-20, 09:26 AM	#29
On-Rails Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Western Canada Posts: 127	Hi All I'm new here and was going to introduce myself in another thread but got all caught up reading this one. So hi to everyone. I'm in a bit of a dilema with 2257. I live in Canada where we have just passed major privacy laws to protect peoples information. Even large main stream compaines have to have links from their sites to privacy policies. No information of any kind from any person can be publicly displayed on a web site, in print magazines etc. http://www.regulations.gov/freddocs/04-13792.htm I have read this link on 2257 and as far as I see 2257 has already passed and they are now amending this law to add further insult to injury. My Dilemas: If I were to follow this Law I would be breaking the laws in my own country. How will this effect traffic trades when I can still display hardcore on my main pages while others in the US can't? How will this effect gallery submissions to my TGPs? What about hardcore link back buttons I ask webmasters to use on their galleries? What about banners full page ads. Geez where does it stop. So their you have it. Dazed and Confused by all of this. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I'm waiting for a legal opinion from Canadian Internet attorneys of what I can do but need the advice from US webmasters for the other stuff like trades etc. Thx all

2004-08-20, 06:36 PM	#31
Frank Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 70	<<< figure it's going to take me at least one month to update all my pages and get all the proper IDs to comply with 2257. If ya start right and do right ya never have to back track. Having to go back phucks it all up. Chot it up as a learning experience.