Bye Bye iBill - Page 3

Cleo · 2004-10-09, 08:47 AM

Jim you do need fancy software if you are running an affiliate program or you are going to get a lot of very pissed up webmasters if they are sending their traffic for an iBill join and you have a CCBill join page up.

Angel and I are also looking for affordable affiliate software so that she can get away from CCBill links codes.

Special "Ed" · 2004-10-09, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
CCBill and Epoch are about the only two that come to mind. I know we have been in the process of adding Epoch to Angel's site just in case CCBill has problems. Nothing seems to move very fast with Epoch.

You got that right Cleo...I just set up cascade billing with CCbill and Epoch and nothing moved fast at all with Epoch. Even though we've been processing adult paysite memberships for over 3 years they seem to take forever to get someone set up...

Jim · 2004-10-09, 09:09 AM

You know Cleo...I overlooked the whole affiliate thing in the post

Yes, you do need software.

WildChyld · 2004-10-09, 03:32 PM

I just noticed that the site also says this

***
iBill fees will be fixed and will be based on the same rate you are currently paying
***

Are they daft? Pay merchant account fees + 3rd party processor level fees. Who would actually agree to something like that?

Part of me is considering switching to a free site.
I'm headed into a PhD program this Fall so without a webmaster working with me I was concerned about finding the time to keep it up anyway. Such a shame that shady business practices have eliminated the majority of "homegrown" businesses.

Jan Barnes · 2004-12-01, 10:16 AM

Any news on Ibill? I had a bunch of recurring members via Fetish Cash, but my understanding is that payments have not been made since September 22. Does anyone have any updates?

Ramster · 2004-12-01, 10:19 AM

I see rebills through a few sponsors that I had too yet I haven't seen any checks. What pisses me off is they are rebilling members and showing they owe me money yet they are not paying...yet.

That's fucked up. I'd prefer they were out of biz rather than show me money and keep rebilling it when I more than likely will never see a dime of it. |pissed|

selena · 2004-12-01, 10:26 AM

Let me see if I can find the email I got from them after I wrote to ask if payment would ever be made.

Okay, here we go. This is c/p'd from an email dated 11/08/04

*****
Hello Selena,

Thank you for your email to iBill today.

In regards to your request:

*****
Payment status
*****

We will resume normal payout on Dec 1st as well as the 1st monies of past due payout. So on Dec 1st you will get a payment for sales processed from 11/1-11/15-04 as well as a portion of the past due payout owed to you.

Past Due Payouts:
iBill has always stated that we recognize all past due payments to our clients and our committed to meeting these obligations.
Currently First Data holds approximately $15M
We are not moving forward with any additional litigation with First Data, but are working to develop a release schedule of these funds We are also working on obtaining additional capital into iBill. While this is in process, we do not expect to see outside funds into iBill until sometime after the first of the year.
Initially-based on potential release of monies from First Data and
anticipated outside funding, we had hoped to have all past due amounts addressed by October 31.
Due to a delay in both avenues, we will be moving forward under the following program:
Starting in December, each client will be paid out over a 12 month period for past due amounts from the period of September 15 to October 31. This will include reserves. Past due amounts will be paid with 6% interest Promissory notes will be signed by Officers and Board Members of the company

Our goal is to payout much quicker than over a 12 month period
Clients will also have the ability to convert past due amounts into equity of IBD stock at a discount By early next week, an online form will be available in the iBill Merchant Info area to request the promissory note or IBD equity option CMI reporting will include statements of past due amounts for all clients to view

We appreciate your continued patience as we work through this transition. We are very confident in our ability to move forward and are excited about the opportunities ahead of us with gkard program. For those that have additional questions regarding the conference call, please email movingforward@ibill.com. Please include your master account number and account type (iBill EU, gkard, iBill Direct ect) in the email. Your questions will be used to develop a FAQ to be posted on CMI

If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know.

*****

I don't know about you, but I am disinclined to accept the stock option in lieu of cash.

Jan Barnes · 2004-12-01, 10:33 AM

Selena,

That is excellent news. If I am not mistaken, December 1 is today. Yooohoo!

Well, I will check my Ibill account in a few days to see if a payment has been sent.

Ang El · 2004-12-01, 08:09 PM

i've got their payment today |afro|

Special "Ed" · 2004-12-01, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramster
I see rebills through a few sponsors that I had too yet I haven't seen any checks. What pisses me off is they are rebilling members and showing they owe me money yet they are not paying...yet.

That's fucked up. I'd prefer they were out of biz rather than show me money and keep rebilling it when I more than likely will never see a dime of it. |pissed|

That sucks Ramster! Damn! |raygun|

Robato · 2004-12-02, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim
They aren't really cascading in literal terms. Back in the day, we had a true cascading system and it was really nice. We had 3 processors. We captured the prospective member's information and tried one cc processor. If they turned that person down, we tried the next. If that processor turned them down we went on to the next. If all 3 processors turned them down, we then offered alternatives.

You can't do that anymore. So, all today's cascading billing really does is rotate between processors. It is really easy to rotate a join page on your site between 2 processors. And, you don't need fancy software to do it.

could any of you point me out to some of these fancy software? I want to use more than one processor....as well as have an affiliate program rather than just having that stupid ccbill input box for affiliates

MrsHackula · 2004-12-08, 01:58 AM

Just thought I would say that Ibill did actually send us an ACH payment today for the period of Nov 1st - 15th.

They also have a total of what is owed us from September & October in our merchant info area, along with a choice as to whether we want it paid back a little at a time with 6% interest, or as equity at a 50% discount, or a combination of both. We passed on the equity.

BumpUglyz · 2004-12-08, 09:51 AM

Its Dec 8th and still no payment from Ibill and it also says Sept 22 under statement in my admin area

Ramster · 2004-12-08, 10:57 AM

Just to clarify...

Sponsors who use(d) ibill as their processor are getting paid right?

Affiliates (like me) who promoted these programs still are not right?

Selena, you are an affiliate I assume and are waiting for affiliate payouts?

Greenguy · 2004-12-08, 04:44 PM

Ramster - I think they said they were gonna start paying this week - and if I remember correctly, I get their checks on Wed or Thur, so I'll post by tomorrow night either way

Carly · 2004-12-09, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
Ramster - I think they said they were gonna start paying this week - and if I remember correctly, I get their checks on Wed or Thur, so I'll post by tomorrow night either way

Mine didn't come today. I won't hold my breath on ever seeing a check from them again, so if it happens I will buy myself something nice.

Greenguy · 2004-12-09, 08:35 PM

I didn't get anything from iBill - but I didn't get any CCBill checks either & they usually arrive on the same day (or did back on the day - LOL)

Mail will be late for the next 3 weeks any - tis the season

Greenguy · 2004-12-09, 08:36 PM

Rut Roh - http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=6489

Robato · 2004-12-10, 09:19 AM

Quote:

“The American Stock Exchange objected to the closing of the iBill transaction and cited, among other factors, concerns that iBill may be inadvertently engaging in transactions with web merchants that offer pornographic materials on the Internet in violation of federal and state laws,”

HMMmmmmmmm........

inadvertently engaging in transactions with web merchants that offer pornographic materials.

by the way, just curious....does ibill do any transactions that ARENT smut?

WildChyld · 2004-12-19, 11:09 PM

Not that this should be surprising but the Ibill situation is even worse now.

I recently found out that their transactions are also screwed up. They've been charging people but not adding them to the database so essentially I have a weeks worth of pissed off members.
When I called, despite it being during business hours, I got the "we're closed message". Then when I finally got some woman named Viola, she claimed that I was lying and it didn't happen and told me that if I was going to accuse them of not answer the phone that she was going to hang up on me.

So no payouts for past dates, no pay out for this week, no more visa unless you use their fucked up new system and no refund on the $350 fee I had to pay to them.

If anyone decides to sue Ibill please send me an email.
That money was paying for my college tuition. ARGH!

Cleo · 2004-12-19, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Robato
does ibill do any transactions that ARENT smut?

I know that they have a hard goods store front with a shopping cart that anyone with no knowledge of html can setup using a browser. I've had mainstream clients that were using it, don't know if they are still using iBill or not.

cd34 · 2004-12-20, 12:07 AM

IBill's entry into the business was due to a contract that they held with 3M's consumer division. 3M decided it was cheaper to pay 10% to a third party processor than it was for them to maintain their own systems.

That is what Intercept wanted, then spooled off the adult side, which was then spooled off again.

IBill will survive -- the current investors spent far too much to just dump it (I don't think they did a smart thing because they used far too much personal money for an emotional purchase)

Its going to be a bumpy road, that's for sure, but they will pull through. I am thinking they will turn into a very large transaction processor rather than maintaining IPSP status. Their stance on Visa sort of reinforces that. I have a few clients that IBill keeps claiming they will support IPSP, but, its been a while and I see no indication that they ever will.

There are benefits to the non-IPSP route, but, if you're going to go that way, talk with Mitch or Karen @ Netbilling.

Black Cat · 2004-12-20, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
I guess they can sell prepaid porn cards right next to the prepaid phone cards now.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news/index...02255384&EDATE

you're right!! that' s what i observe

Jan Barnes · 2004-12-20, 07:16 AM

According to my ibill main menu screen, "Another update regarding the RevShare payout will be posted by Tuesday December 21, 2004".

However, they are saying the payment is still on track, so that gives us another date to look forward to. December 21, the clock is ticking.

WildChyld · 2004-12-20, 01:25 PM

What I dont understand is why an American company is able to get away with this. They've broken their contracts with thousands of people, why isn't anyone suing them yet?

I can understand with the foreign companies, they have an easier time running off with money but Ibill is in Florida for jeezums sake.

2004-10-09, 08:47 AM	#1
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Jim you do need fancy software if you are running an affiliate program or you are going to get a lot of very pissed up webmasters if they are sending their traffic for an iBill join and you have a CCBill join page up. Angel and I are also looking for affordable affiliate software so that she can get away from CCBill links codes. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-12-01, 10:16 AM	#5
Jan Barnes A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 53	Any news on Ibill? I had a bunch of recurring members via Fetish Cash, but my understanding is that payments have not been made since September 22. Does anyone have any updates? __________________ <a href="http://www.xxxcash.com/RS/rsid-130760/">Celebrities, Nude Soldiers & More!</br><img height="50" src="http://www.xxxcash.com/img/rsid-130760/120x60.gif" border="0" width="120"></a>

2004-12-01, 10:19 AM	#6
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,867	I see rebills through a few sponsors that I had too yet I haven't seen any checks. What pisses me off is they are rebilling members and showing they owe me money yet they are not paying...yet. That's fucked up. I'd prefer they were out of biz rather than show me money and keep rebilling it when I more than likely will never see a dime of it. \|pissed\| __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-12-01, 10:26 AM	#7
selena Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the edge Posts: 592	Let me see if I can find the email I got from them after I wrote to ask if payment would ever be made. Okay, here we go. This is c/p'd from an email dated 11/08/04 *** Hello Selena, Thank you for your email to iBill today. In regards to your request: * Payment status * We will resume normal payout on Dec 1st as well as the 1st monies of past due payout. So on Dec 1st you will get a payment for sales processed from 11/1-11/15-04 as well as a portion of the past due payout owed to you. Past Due Payouts: iBill has always stated that we recognize all past due payments to our clients and our committed to meeting these obligations. Currently First Data holds approximately $15M We are not moving forward with any additional litigation with First Data, but are working to develop a release schedule of these funds We are also working on obtaining additional capital into iBill. While this is in process, we do not expect to see outside funds into iBill until sometime after the first of the year. Initially-based on potential release of monies from First Data and anticipated outside funding, we had hoped to have all past due amounts addressed by October 31. Due to a delay in both avenues, we will be moving forward under the following program: Starting in December, each client will be paid out over a 12 month period for past due amounts from the period of September 15 to October 31. This will include reserves. Past due amounts will be paid with 6% interest Promissory notes will be signed by Officers and Board Members of the company Our goal is to payout much quicker than over a 12 month period Clients will also have the ability to convert past due amounts into equity of IBD stock at a discount By early next week, an online form will be available in the iBill Merchant Info area to request the promissory note or IBD equity option CMI reporting will include statements of past due amounts for all clients to view We appreciate your continued patience as we work through this transition. We are very confident in our ability to move forward and are excited about the opportunities ahead of us with gkard program. For those that have additional questions regarding the conference call, please email movingforward@ibill.com. Please include your master account number and account type (iBill EU, gkard, iBill Direct ect) in the email. Your questions will be used to develop a FAQ to be posted on CMI If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know. *** I don't know about you, but I am disinclined to accept the stock option in lieu of cash. __________________ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Skype selena.delgado9 ICQ 273551440

2004-12-01, 10:33 AM	#8
Jan Barnes A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 53	Selena, That is excellent news. If I am not mistaken, December 1 is today. Yooohoo! Well, I will check my Ibill account in a few days to see if a payment has been sent. __________________ <a href="http://www.xxxcash.com/RS/rsid-130760/">Celebrities, Nude Soldiers & More!</br><img height="50" src="http://www.xxxcash.com/img/rsid-130760/120x60.gif" border="0" width="120"></a>

2004-10-09, 09:09 AM	#3
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	You know Cleo...I overlooked the whole affiliate thing in the post Yes, you do need software.

2004-10-09, 03:32 PM	#4
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	I just noticed that the site also says this * iBill fees will be fixed and will be based on the same rate you are currently paying * Are they daft? Pay merchant account fees + 3rd party processor level fees. Who would actually agree to something like that? Part of me is considering switching to a free site. I'm headed into a PhD program this Fall so without a webmaster working with me I was concerned about finding the time to keep it up anyway. Such a shame that shady business practices have eliminated the majority of "homegrown" businesses.

2004-12-01, 08:09 PM	#9
Ang El Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Heaven Posts: 25	i've got their payment today \|afro\| __________________ Royal-Cash.com

2004-12-08, 01:58 AM	#12
MrsHackula I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 86	Just thought I would say that Ibill did actually send us an ACH payment today for the period of Nov 1st - 15th. They also have a total of what is owed us from September & October in our merchant info area, along with a choice as to whether we want it paid back a little at a time with 6% interest, or as equity at a 50% discount, or a combination of both. We passed on the equity.

2004-12-08, 09:51 AM	#13
BumpUglyz Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 65	Its Dec 8th and still no payment from Ibill and it also says Sept 22 under statement in my admin area __________________ icq: 37991616

2004-12-08, 10:57 AM	#14
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,867	Just to clarify... Sponsors who use(d) ibill as their processor are getting paid right? Affiliates (like me) who promoted these programs still are not right? Selena, you are an affiliate I assume and are waiting for affiliate payouts? __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-12-08, 04:44 PM	#15
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Ramster - I think they said they were gonna start paying this week - and if I remember correctly, I get their checks on Wed or Thur, so I'll post by tomorrow night either way __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-12-09, 08:35 PM	#17
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I didn't get anything from iBill - but I didn't get any CCBill checks either & they usually arrive on the same day (or did back on the day - LOL) Mail will be late for the next 3 weeks any - tis the season __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-12-09, 08:36 PM	#18
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Rut Roh - http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=6489 __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-12-19, 11:09 PM	#20
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	Not that this should be surprising but the Ibill situation is even worse now. I recently found out that their transactions are also screwed up. They've been charging people but not adding them to the database so essentially I have a weeks worth of pissed off members. When I called, despite it being during business hours, I got the "we're closed message". Then when I finally got some woman named Viola, she claimed that I was lying and it didn't happen and told me that if I was going to accuse them of not answer the phone that she was going to hang up on me. So no payouts for past dates, no pay out for this week, no more visa unless you use their fucked up new system and no refund on the $350 fee I had to pay to them. If anyone decides to sue Ibill please send me an email. That money was paying for my college tuition. ARGH!

2004-12-20, 12:07 AM	#22
cd34 a.k.a. Sparky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: West Palm Beach, FL, USA Posts: 2,396	IBill's entry into the business was due to a contract that they held with 3M's consumer division. 3M decided it was cheaper to pay 10% to a third party processor than it was for them to maintain their own systems. That is what Intercept wanted, then spooled off the adult side, which was then spooled off again. IBill will survive -- the current investors spent far too much to just dump it (I don't think they did a smart thing because they used far too much personal money for an emotional purchase) Its going to be a bumpy road, that's for sure, but they will pull through. I am thinking they will turn into a very large transaction processor rather than maintaining IPSP status. Their stance on Visa sort of reinforces that. I have a few clients that IBill keeps claiming they will support IPSP, but, its been a while and I see no indication that they ever will. There are benefits to the non-IPSP route, but, if you're going to go that way, talk with Mitch or Karen @ Netbilling. __________________ SnapReplay.com a different way to share photos - iPhone & Android

2004-12-20, 07:16 AM	#24
Jan Barnes A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 53	According to my ibill main menu screen, "Another update regarding the RevShare payout will be posted by Tuesday December 21, 2004". However, they are saying the payment is still on track, so that gives us another date to look forward to. December 21, the clock is ticking. __________________ <a href="http://www.xxxcash.com/RS/rsid-130760/">Celebrities, Nude Soldiers & More!</br><img height="50" src="http://www.xxxcash.com/img/rsid-130760/120x60.gif" border="0" width="120"></a>

2004-12-20, 01:25 PM	#25
WildChyld WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Berkeley California Posts: 49	What I dont understand is why an American company is able to get away with this. They've broken their contracts with thousands of people, why isn't anyone suing them yet? I can understand with the foreign companies, they have an easier time running off with money but Ibill is in Florida for jeezums sake.