The 2257 link

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Carl
There are less than 5 link lists that have enough traffic that would make most people want to pay for it.

It would depend how much they charged.

I think most would charge just a very small fee per year or 6 mos or whatever.

Actually, when tommy was talking about it- I think he was just pondering charging new untested submitters.

[Cleo]

Originally posted by Greenguy
You know, oddly enough, if you put your 2257 URL on the page WITHOUT actually linking it, that is legal

This is what I do too. There is no reason what so ever to actually link it, just show the URL where it can be found.

[GeorgeTH]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
You mean just put in the URL as text:

2257 Info can be found at http: //www.foo.com/2257.html

I do that on all my galleries (since mid 2003 already).
Ghee - if somebody's serious about the content I'm using they can at least cut-and-paste a URL! On TGP galleries it would be messing up my link count...

But then: I'm not an US citizen.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Carl
This is what I got from an IRC chat when I brought up the topic of LL paid submissions. This is correct?

That sounds like a lot of assumptions, since I can't think of one Link Lists that has gone to paid submits to use as an example for or against it.

And one thig that wqas left out of that is the fact that even if I did go to paid submits, not everyone would be forced to pay. I have 30-40 trusted submitters that I know will give me good, quality, no BS free sites on a daily basis & I would not charge them.

I think others would do the same

[DangerDave]

Originally posted by Carl
There are less than 5 link lists that have enough traffic that would make most people want to pay for it.

So if every one goes to paid submits they will have to limit the number of people submitting to increase the traffic so people will pay for it.

If they do this the Link Popularity would go down, and the SERPS would change update to update and the site would get less traffic, and then people would not pay to submit to them because the still free link lists would gain popularity because of the mass number of submitters?

LL can never be the same as a paid TGP submission because they are C-J sites to keep traffic?

This is what I got from an IRC chat when I brought up the topic of LL paid submissions. This is correct?

Not correct...

I am now over 6 months into only accepting partners.. and my link pop hasnt fallen, and my traffic is up. and there are a number of "quality" benefits that I wont bother outlining..

As GG said.. the paid submits would only be for "non-invited" submitters.

..and the $$$$$/time you save on not reviewing crap allows you to work for even more Link.pop/quality/traffic for your LL

DD

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by DangerDave
I am now over 6 months into only accepting partners...

Can I have one?

[bert2000pt]

To Cleo, GG and other LLs owners in this thread

The 2257 "thing".

I have been using the sponsor's 2257 link but this thread made me think.

What is better?

1 - use the sponsor's link
2 - WRITE the sponsor's link as GG said
3 - make my own 2257 in the root of my domain

I want to use the option that EVERYBODY" will accept.

Thanks

Bert

[Cleo]

Personally I would make up my own 2257 page so that I could control what is on it.

[Greenguy]

Yeah link or list the URL of one 2257 page & then just put all the info on there - there's no need for one per domain.

[Linkster]

Either that or just leave the damn thing off your pages completely - I just blacklisted someone for linking to a blank page for their 2257 - and it was probably just their not checking their own work

As far as the submits - I would think that within 6 months you will see a major shift in the LLs - the idea of leaving submits open to the public has become too costly in time, pay to reviewers, frustration and frigging detective work.

Between 20 LLs that I can think of we have enough "trusted" submitters to fill our LLs forever, add the sponsor hosted free sites, and the submits from other LL owners to each other - we wont need to have any other submitters.
Of course I can see that there will have to be some sort of approval process to add "new" trusted submitters and that can be worked out - heck the tgps already have.

As far as recips and backlinks and popularity in the SEs - DDave is right on the money - we already do so much work down other avenues to make sure the traffic is good from SEs that the only people that would hurt are the LLs that the cheaters are starting up - they havent figured out how to do real SE work yet

Im pretty sure my LL will be completely trusted partners by the end of this month - although Ill probably leave the public submit form up to keep helping expose the cheaters

[GeorgeTH]

Originally posted by Linkster
I'm pretty sure my LL will be completely trusted partners by the end of this month - although Ill probably leave the public submit form up to keep helping expose the cheaters.

Linkster, PRETTY PLEASE: could I get a password in case you're closing public submissions?

I only just started to do a few free sites (not as many as I should) but many people (TGP owners, link exchanges on my main site, etc.) would know me as a reliable partner for years!

It would be a shame to be cut off even before I get going... |goodnight

[SI]

Partner submition is not good idea for LL. IMHO I'll try to explain:

I've made a site (f.e http://www.madskunk.com/ap/mexican-ass/hard-cock/) as you see it linked to a few LLs and this site was aproved by 90% of them, except is link-o-rama. But resip to link-o-rama still here. And i have 200 sites linked to link-o-rama else. I'm too busy to remove them. This story repeating for other LLs including linkster. And many webmasters doing the same thing. There are thousands back links to your LLs and higher PR as result. But if you close the form hundreds webmasters stop to submit, before they getting partner account.
Just IMHO

[Cleo]

Even if we just charged $1 per month it would remove the anonymity that cheaters hide behind.

[bert2000pt]

Like George TH, I have just started the "free sites" game but am known to quite a number of good TGPs in my niche (femdom), having even several galleries approved by the hun.

Am trying to use the basic standard rules for the free sites, in order to get accepted everywhere. So far I've build and submitted 4 sites this last week and am waiting to see how the approvals go.

Have been accepted by hoes and penisbot, for instance but heard nothing from GG or Cleo yet.

My point on "partner" submissions:

It might be a good idea but leave a door open for new people to get in!

My newbie 2 cents

Bert

[Linkster]

Originally posted by SI
Partner submition is not good idea for LL. IMHO I'll try to explain:
I've made a site (f.e http://www.madskunk.com/ap/mexican-ass/hard-cock/) as you see it linked to a few LLs and this site was aproved by 90% of them, except is link-o-rama. But resip to link-o-rama still here. And i have 200 sites linked to link-o-rama else. I'm too busy to remove them. This story repeating for other LLs including linkster. And many webmasters doing the same thing. There are thousands back links to your LLs and higher PR as result. But if you close the form hundreds webmasters stop to submit, before they getting partner account.
Just IMHO

#1 - if you think that a LL gets much PR from a recip on a free site that we list then thats definitely wrong - the links that we get from other LLs are way more important - everyone out there could remove their recips and it would not affect my PR or any of the other LLs PR - not that PR means anything cause it doesnt.

#2 Most sites that people who are not trusted submiteers will get removed from the LL - if that bothers you then just remove the recip - but that shouldnt bother you since I didnt list your sites cause your host is a banned host

[Cleo]

bert2000pt I did a search in my admin for your name but didn't find anything from you.

What is the domain that you used?

[bert2000pt]

Originally posted by Cleo
bert2000pt I did a search in my admin for your name but didn't find anything from you.

What is the domain that you used?

http://www.femdomfetishsites.com/sit...dage/index.htm

http://www.femdomfetishsites.com/sit...dage/index.htm

http://www.femdomfetishsites.com/sit...dage/index.htm

I'm registered to submit to you, have my username and password.

Thanks for looking at it

Bert

[plateman]

linkster and cleo and others - please dont forget about me, just because I havent built any free sites latety do mean I am getting out of it or lazy - I just been doing so much to my LL and stuff around the house for winter coming and adding 20 more categories and 5 extra pages and reviewing daily..

[SI]

Originally posted by Linkster
#1 - if you think that a LL gets much PR from a recip on a free site that we list then thats definitely wrong - the links that we get from other LLs are way more important - everyone out there could remove their recips and it would not affect my PR or any of the other LLs PR - not that PR means anything cause it doesnt.

I didnt list your sites cause your host is a banned host

#1 If it's true then edit your rules and say-"No recip required, just good clean sites"

#2 I've knew about host and moved to another one.
And i'll try submit my sites to you again, i hope it will be work.
Isn't it?

[Cleo]

I have zero links from you.

You are not on any ban lists. You are not on a banned server.

Both Luna and I don't remember ever seeing your sites and I'm sure that one of us would have remembered them as it is unique content.

I don't know what to say other then to go ahead and submit them again.

[Linkster]

Originally posted by SI
#1 If it's true then edit your rules and say-"No recip required, just good clean sites"
#2 I've knew about host and moved to another one.
And i'll try submit my sites to you again, i hope it will be work.
Isn't it?

1st - I have accepted loads of sites without recips - I do it all the time for quality submitters - I put it in the rules for those 90% that dont know what a good clean site is

#2 Its a shame that good submitters have to move hosts - its too bad that hosts dont look at whats on their servers (or in a few cases are part of the program that puts the sites on those servers)

[bert2000pt]

Originally posted by Cleo
I have zero links from you.

You are not on any ban lists. You are not on a banned server.

Both Luna and I don't remember ever seeing your sites and I'm sure that one of us would have remembered them as it is unique content.

I don't know what to say other then to go ahead and submit them again.

OK Cleo, first one submitted, please let me know if it's in your system

"We have received the following link:
Title: Topless Domme Spanking A Naked Male Slave"
etc etc etc

Do you send any kind of confirmation email?

Bert

[Cleo]

I send out a approval mail if you are approved but no other mail.

PS: You should have just gotten an e-mail.

[bert2000pt]

WOW Cleo, that was quick.

What do you think may happened?

I remember quite clearly seeing the confirmation page the first time I submitted the sites.

Bert

[swedguy]

Originally posted by Cleo
I send out a approval mail if you are approved but no other mail.

PS: You should have just gotten an e-mail.

Oh, I thought you didn't send out anything anymore

Can you please tell me what was wrong with this one?

http://www.anal-sex-linkz.com/first-...l-sex/analsex/