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RawAlex · 2005-11-04, 11:03 PM

$250 a night for harrahs? OMFG that is silly.

Alex

Ramster · 2005-11-05, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

$250 a night for harrahs? OMFG that is silly.

Alex

No shit. 2 years ago my wife and I stayed there for Internext and the checkout bill after 4 days was UNDER $200 (since I put a $57 deposit down when booking).

Surfn · 2005-11-05, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramster

No shit. 2 years ago my wife and I stayed there for Internext and the checkout bill after 4 days was UNDER $200 (since I put a $57 deposit down when booking).

I was there at the same time

emmanuelle · 2005-11-05, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

Media registration is still "Coming Soon!"

Please check your old PM's- I sent you that info a couple of weeks ago

emmanuelle · 2005-11-05, 03:21 PM

I got a package through orbitz- $1850 tx inc- 6 nights at the TI and my flight from Montreal. $1300 less than the same trip staying at the Venetian.

Far-L · 2005-11-05, 03:39 PM

Folks... I tell you time and time again AVN is not your enemy. Call Renee and talk to her about your beefs. She will happily give you the lowdown on why things are the way they are and how the cost is determined. As always, they are trying to provide a great resource at a reasonable price imo, but if you don't agree talk to them directly and form your own opinion.

CES is a bigger reason for the hotels being so expensive at that time of year.

Internext has helped us provide discounts to amateurs that would not be able to attend otherwise.

You have legit criticisms, no doubt, but those are issues that are easily addressed.

RawAlex · 2005-11-05, 04:16 PM

Far-L, it isn't about "why" things are expensive, we can all figure it out. I can understand almost down to the smallest item WHY we are paying insane rates for hotels... It just sorta sucks to be put into that position.

Alex

Linkster · 2005-11-05, 04:33 PM

Although I can see the overall reasons for combining the two shows - it blows me away that they would pickthe same time as CES to hold the shows - more importantly - while there are a few benefits to a few of the companies that might want to exhibit at both shows (Far-L Im sure you are one that loves that arrangement), it is a fact that the WMs that would really like to go to the show - it has become price prohibitive for the "amateur WMs" which is what Internext is supposed to be all about??
It is also a fact that the prices in the past for hotel rooms at the Venetian - the days of Internext were always pretty reasonable - the day that AEE started the prices jumped by at least $100 a day - so it is not CES that is calling the shots - it is the tradition of higher prices paid (at least for the 4 times Ive been to Vegas) once AEE starts.

Second rant - if you are going to pick a hotel - fine - but stick with parties at the hotel - dont make everyone go to last years hotel for the big party - it doesnt make sense - the Venetian has plenty of venues and again, you arent trying to find a cab (cause AVN sure isnt gonna spring for limo busses if you could even get them during CES) and hoofing it all over the strip.

Linkster · 2005-11-05, 04:36 PM

I was gonna edit but figured since its a separate issue - you will also find that if you go to the AEE page - you can buy your tickets at a discount for an extra 10 days - till the 12th of Dec - vice going to the Internext page where its Dec 2 for the cutoff - not sure why there would be a difference?

RawAlex · 2005-11-05, 04:49 PM

Linkster, CES and AEE open on the same day, so the influence is about the same... on that particular hotel, yes, AEE has an effect, but AEE doesn't have an effect on the prices at NYNY or Tropicana or whatever... and they are all priced insane for the same time period.

The ventian will likely not have very much space available for larger functions, as most of the other space is rented out to companies doing stuff for CES (display areas, product demos, and whatnot). It is almost impossible to get ballroom space from Wednesday to Sunday... stuff is all taken up and busy. I think you will see every bar, every room, and every hospitality suite overrun with CES geeks. Our show(s) are merely a drop in the bucket compared to CES attendance. 135,000+ people: http://www.cesweb.org/press/news/rd_...l.asp?id=10481

The AEE show is held with the CES show because there is a huge number of people in town, business types, who are usually travelling without a wife or other distractions, often alone or only with coworkers. They can easily slide away for a couple of hours to go drool on pornstars. AEE run one week later would not be anywhere near as successful a show, attendance wise. Moving the Internext show to the days right after that wouldn't help very much, as the hotel rooms are still pricey and would require most companies to pay high price rooms anyway for setup time and whatnot.

It is truly a no win situation.

The only thing it does do is make the Florida show hotel prices look sweet.

Alex

Linkster · 2005-11-05, 05:33 PM

Alex - I guess you kinda echoed my point - having AEE and Internext at the same time is ridiculous - and causes the people that want to go to Internext for the opportunities it provides (networking, making new contacts) totally impossible so it defeats the purpose of Internext. Now having AEE and CES at the same time makes sense - and always has. But remember they always started the last day of Internext in the past so that if people from Internext wanted to stick around they could - for the Webmasters (which was the original purpose of Internext - the internet part of the business) they got to go to a show for a reasonable cost, do business, and network as well as party, five out awards etc.

Because of the changes in the last year and a half, we now see that less than 10% of the sponsors that cater just to webmasters even bother to show up at Internext anymore, the awards have moved to a different event and the only webmasters that can afford to go are established people that can part with 2k - and thats to go see a show that doesnt help them as much as if they used their icq and posted on boards a little more

Alex - you and I have been going to these for some time, and we always hook up for the gathering of new contacts, the parties(LOL even if you do leave early) and where do we end up most of the time - talking away from the show floor, or at one suite or another playing poker because the show has no attraction whatsoever anymore other than to get us in the same place at the same time

I think Im going to set up a 4 day stint every year at my house where I can house probably 100 people, and just start doing the same thing for free - Ill even get Pussycash to sponsor it LOL

Far-L · 2005-11-05, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Although I can see the overall reasons for combining the two shows - it blows me away that they would pickthe same time as CES to hold the shows - more importantly - while there are a few benefits to a few of the companies that might want to exhibit at both shows (Far-L Im sure you are one that loves that arrangement), it is a fact that the WMs that would really like to go to the show - it has become price prohibitive for the "amateur WMs" which is what Internext is supposed to be all about??
It is also a fact that the prices in the past for hotel rooms at the Venetian - the days of Internext were always pretty reasonable - the day that AEE started the prices jumped by at least $100 a day - so it is not CES that is calling the shots - it is the tradition of higher prices paid (at least for the 4 times Ive been to Vegas) once AEE starts.

Second rant - if you are going to pick a hotel - fine - but stick with parties at the hotel - dont make everyone go to last years hotel for the big party - it doesnt make sense - the Venetian has plenty of venues and again, you arent trying to find a cab (cause AVN sure isnt gonna spring for limo busses if you could even get them during CES) and hoofing it all over the strip.

I am not a fan of the two shows at the same time thing as you would probably assume. We haven't done a booth at the Expo for years - just banners, though this year we are going for kiosks and banners. We haven't been big fans of doing booths at shows for quite a while but we still do one at Internext for a variety of reasons... the bottom line is that it has been good for biz in spite of the pain in the ass and expense goes into it.

We are completely fed up with Venetian and have been staying elsewhere now for better prices (bellagio, and this year we have the "rainman" suite in Caesars - I think the walk to the sands will be better than walking from the rooms at venetian to tell you the truth).

All the hotel's pricing actually jump like that for the CES trust me because I have been doing these shows since the adult expo was still part of CES.

Another thing to consider - We just can't go anywhere with this show because not everyone will welcome a bunch of dirty filthy evil vile pornographers anywhere. Due to past behaviour elsewhere certain places have banned us forever.

My feeling is they really try to do the best with what they have and deserve some slack for that reason.

Linkster · 2005-11-05, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Another thing to consider - We just can't go anywhere with this show because not everyone will welcome a bunch of dirty filthy evil vile pornographers anywhere. Due to past behaviour elsewhere certain places have banned us forever.

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I totally understand that - and actually I have never had a problem paying Venetians prices in the past - and of course paid them again this time - of course at a real reduced rate due to getting the reservations in 6 months ago - but I guess I have to step back and think about all of the people this has harmed - I know many "medium level" webmasters - the general population of people that do this for a living - not a hobby - but have not grown to the level of pulling in a great income - they are still building and have been around 3 years or so - these webmasters (and I have to keep using that term since to me Internext is about webmasters ONLY - and all the programs etc that revolve around that industry) cannot attend their premier industry event because the people that run the event cant figure out how to schedule it a week later - in the same place - or for that matter - wrangle out a new contract because they won't - not because they can't.
Like I said in an earlier post - they are driving away 90% of the population that they are trying to reach - and they have been told about it for two years now. I guess it's just a matter of time (or something a little more drastic) before this whole event goes away.

Ramster · 2005-11-05, 08:38 PM

Agreed on what Linkster said.

If AVN REALLY wanted to have the show after the AEE & CSS they would.

My room is booked at $320 a night, I'm flying from Canada so more expensive and the badge is $250 (about). So it is costing me and my wife to go roughly $3000 before I eat and drink.

$3000+ is insane! A normal webmaster making a decent living probably cannot afford to go and if they can is it justifiable to go? Maybe...maybe not.

If this show was afterwards and the bades were still $125 then rooms at TI and Harrahs and other places would be $50-99 a night. Drawing in waaaaaaaay more regular webmasters.

docholly · 2005-11-05, 10:42 PM

I was at the CEA (advisory board) a few weeks ago and raised the question about CES running the same time as the Adult shows and the president of CEA told me they plan it that way on purpose because they get at least 1/2 day extra out of the attendees before they run to see the pornstars which ups their numbers every year and provides relatively 'free' entertainment for the attendees.

This week was SEMA, an equally sized show and directly across the street at the Rivera was Adultcon which was just a huge room of girls 99% naked, signing autographs for 20.00 and the line was out the door into the street.

****a bit of a tip**** it's a bit farther from the Venetian, but the strip has added 50 new double decker buses and the Stardust has fairly good rooms. Also if you want to stay "off strip" even cheaper, there will be transportation from the Rio for CES to the Sands.. so you could stay at the Rio (mildly expensive) Palms (mildly expensive) or the Gold Coast (cheap)

Edit: One thing if you are coming, you might want to do is register for CES. It's free you just have to say you are in purchasing or something. But it's a great show to see the latest technology and several new platforms that will eventually be in need of content delivery.

Greenguy · 2005-11-05, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Please check your old PM's- I sent you that info a couple of weeks ago

I stink & I think I deleted it my mistake

Greenguy · 2005-11-05, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Folks... I tell you time and time again AVN is not your enemy.....

We tried that with Aly before Miami, but I think we pissed her off with our opinions & options...to the point thast she stopped coming to the board & gave up trying to explain their side of things.

The long & short is that there's no need to have OUR convention in Vegas so soon after New Years, so soon after the August show, at the same time as AEE (they run our by itself in August, so they can run one without the other)

We are all jaded a bit as we know way too much about how the convention works, how you can't have a party without a booth or ads - ask any other Joe Blow off the street that's been to a convention - they have no idea what goes on behind the scenes to the extent that we do.

I can sorta see AVN's POV on this, trying to get as much money out of everyone as they can, because the reality of it is that you really don't need a badge - nor do you need to go thru their travel agent - and you'll have just as good a time & meet the same amount of people - you miss the floor, but big fucking deal - we all know it's not as impressive as it was in 1999 or 2000

But we'll all be there because of AVN - even me, who will probably not be giving them a dime - because they scheduled it.

Move it to March before Easter - Move the Miami show to someplace tollerable in August - spread things out a bit.

I'm rambling....

Linkster · 2005-11-05, 11:39 PM

Boy Greenie - do I ever agree with you - please move the shows!!!!! and make them at different times - sure we might not be able to go to Orlando - but thats ok - its really more for kids anyway

Maybe then we can get webmasters attending the shows again - instead of the BS that goes on now - and maybe a few sponsors that have pulled back might be willing to actually sponsor some things again - heck we might even get to have the industry's award show there again and lord forbid bring back the players ball LOL

Far-L · 2005-11-06, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

We tried that with Aly before Miami, but I think we pissed her off with our opinions & options...to the point thast she stopped coming to the board & gave up trying to explain their side of things.

The long & short is that there's no need to have OUR convention in Vegas so soon after New Years, so soon after the August show, at the same time as AEE (they run our by itself in August, so they can run one without the other)

We are all jaded a bit as we know way too much about how the convention works, how you can't have a party without a booth or ads - ask any other Joe Blow off the street that's been to a convention - they have no idea what goes on behind the scenes to the extent that we do.

I can sorta see AVN's POV on this, trying to get as much money out of everyone as they can, because the reality of it is that you really don't need a badge - nor do you need to go thru their travel agent - and you'll have just as good a time & meet the same amount of people - you miss the floor, but big fucking deal - we all know it's not as impressive as it was in 1999 or 2000

But we'll all be there because of AVN - even me, who will probably not be giving them a dime - because they scheduled it.

Move it to March before Easter - Move the Miami show to someplace tollerable in August - spread things out a bit.

I'm rambling....

There are pros and cons no matter how you slice it and I agree that florida in august is really hard to deal with if you don't do well in humidity, like me. But I have always liked the show in January being at the same time as CES.

I would be happy to help create a discussion to address the issues though so everyone can get the most out of their hard earned buck.

Surfn · 2005-11-06, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

We tried that with Aly before Miami, but I think we pissed her off with our opinions & options...to the point thast she stopped coming to the board & gave up trying to explain their side of things.

The long & short is that there's no need to have OUR convention in Vegas so soon after New Years, so soon after the August show, at the same time as AEE (they run our by itself in August, so they can run one without the other)

We are all jaded a bit as we know way too much about how the convention works, how you can't have a party without a booth or ads - ask any other Joe Blow off the street that's been to a convention - they have no idea what goes on behind the scenes to the extent that we do.

I can sorta see AVN's POV on this, trying to get as much money out of everyone as they can, because the reality of it is that you really don't need a badge - nor do you need to go thru their travel agent - and you'll have just as good a time & meet the same amount of people - you miss the floor, but big fucking deal - we all know it's not as impressive as it was in 1999 or 2000

But we'll all be there because of AVN - even me, who will probably not be giving them a dime - because they scheduled it.

Move it to March before Easter - Move the Miami show to someplace tollerable in August - spread things out a bit.

I'm rambling....

I agree totally.

More people would probably attend if they used a little common sense.

emmanuelle · 2005-11-06, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

I stink & I think I deleted it my mistake

magicmike · 2005-11-07, 01:20 PM

Yeah, it'd be nice if they made internext after the AVN show. Fuck its going to be a mad house with CES in town.

I'm still on the wire if I'm going to go. If I do it'll be for the last day or two of the show, and a few days after so CES has time to start clearing out.

Luckily I can get some free rooms at one of the harrah's hotels, as the prices are insane.

HoneLynn · 2005-11-07, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim

So, the xbizawards...is there anyone here going?

I am. I can sneak you in under my skirt

Jim · 2005-11-07, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

We tried that with Aly before Miami, but I think we pissed her off with our opinions & options...to the point thast she stopped coming to the board & gave up trying to explain their side of things.

The long & short is that there's no need to have OUR convention in Vegas so soon after New Years, so soon after the August show, at the same time as AEE (they run our by itself in August, so they can run one without the other)

We are all jaded a bit as we know way too much about how the convention works, how you can't have a party without a booth or ads - ask any other Joe Blow off the street that's been to a convention - they have no idea what goes on behind the scenes to the extent that we do.

I can sorta see AVN's POV on this, trying to get as much money out of everyone as they can, because the reality of it is that you really don't need a badge - nor do you need to go thru their travel agent - and you'll have just as good a time & meet the same amount of people - you miss the floor, but big fucking deal - we all know it's not as impressive as it was in 1999 or 2000

But we'll all be there because of AVN - even me, who will probably not be giving them a dime - because they scheduled it.

Move it to March before Easter - Move the Miami show to someplace tollerable in August - spread things out a bit.

I'm rambling....

You know how I feel. My hair is getting longer and longer

You and I are in agreement.

There is absolutely only one reason to have a show in Florida in August. And only one reason for the Vegas show to be right after New Year.

I have said it time and time again. It's OK for it to be about the money as long as it isn't only about the money.

docholly · 2005-11-07, 04:19 PM

Well the only 'slow' season here in vegas for conventions (we're #1 in the world) is the month of DEC and mid june to mid august. otherwise you have major events all the rest of the time.

Jan-CES/PPAI/World of Concrete/Outdoor World all have excess of 100K

Feb-Magic & Shoe Show 100k

March- Con AG 150K

April NAB-100K

May-National Hardware 100K

soo maybe mid June for Vegas and Mid Nov for Florida??

What i never liked about the Vegas show is it is right after New Years so it really interupts the over the holiday vacation schedule unless you include Vegas on your route.

CES people will start arriving on the 2nd and leave on the 8th because of all the meeting sessions, move in/out and the actual expo.

|cool|

2005-11-05, 03:39 PM	#31
Far-L Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 265	Folks... I tell you time and time again AVN is not your enemy. Call Renee and talk to her about your beefs. She will happily give you the lowdown on why things are the way they are and how the cost is determined. As always, they are trying to provide a great resource at a reasonable price imo, but if you don't agree talk to them directly and form your own opinion. CES is a bigger reason for the hotels being so expensive at that time of year. Internext has helped us provide discounts to amateurs that would not be able to attend otherwise. You have legit criticisms, no doubt, but those are issues that are easily addressed. __________________ www.homegrowncontent.com www.homegrowncash.com

2005-11-05, 04:33 PM	#33
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Although I can see the overall reasons for combining the two shows - it blows me away that they would pickthe same time as CES to hold the shows - more importantly - while there are a few benefits to a few of the companies that might want to exhibit at both shows (Far-L Im sure you are one that loves that arrangement), it is a fact that the WMs that would really like to go to the show - it has become price prohibitive for the "amateur WMs" which is what Internext is supposed to be all about?? It is also a fact that the prices in the past for hotel rooms at the Venetian - the days of Internext were always pretty reasonable - the day that AEE started the prices jumped by at least $100 a day - so it is not CES that is calling the shots - it is the tradition of higher prices paid (at least for the 4 times Ive been to Vegas) once AEE starts. Second rant - if you are going to pick a hotel - fine - but stick with parties at the hotel - dont make everyone go to last years hotel for the big party - it doesnt make sense - the Venetian has plenty of venues and again, you arent trying to find a cab (cause AVN sure isnt gonna spring for limo busses if you could even get them during CES) and hoofing it all over the strip. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-11-05, 04:36 PM	#34
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	I was gonna edit but figured since its a separate issue - you will also find that if you go to the AEE page - you can buy your tickets at a discount for an extra 10 days - till the 12th of Dec - vice going to the Internext page where its Dec 2 for the cutoff - not sure why there would be a difference? __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-11-05, 05:33 PM	#36
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Alex - I guess you kinda echoed my point - having AEE and Internext at the same time is ridiculous - and causes the people that want to go to Internext for the opportunities it provides (networking, making new contacts) totally impossible so it defeats the purpose of Internext. Now having AEE and CES at the same time makes sense - and always has. But remember they always started the last day of Internext in the past so that if people from Internext wanted to stick around they could - for the Webmasters (which was the original purpose of Internext - the internet part of the business) they got to go to a show for a reasonable cost, do business, and network as well as party, five out awards etc. Because of the changes in the last year and a half, we now see that less than 10% of the sponsors that cater just to webmasters even bother to show up at Internext anymore, the awards have moved to a different event and the only webmasters that can afford to go are established people that can part with 2k - and thats to go see a show that doesnt help them as much as if they used their icq and posted on boards a little more Alex - you and I have been going to these for some time, and we always hook up for the gathering of new contacts, the parties(LOL even if you do leave early) and where do we end up most of the time - talking away from the show floor, or at one suite or another playing poker because the show has no attraction whatsoever anymore other than to get us in the same place at the same time I think Im going to set up a 4 day stint every year at my house where I can house probably 100 people, and just start doing the same thing for free - Ill even get Pussycash to sponsor it LOL __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-11-05, 08:38 PM	#39
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,868	Agreed on what Linkster said. If AVN REALLY wanted to have the show after the AEE & CSS they would. My room is booked at $320 a night, I'm flying from Canada so more expensive and the badge is $250 (about). So it is costing me and my wife to go roughly $3000 before I eat and drink. $3000+ is insane! A normal webmaster making a decent living probably cannot afford to go and if they can is it justifiable to go? Maybe...maybe not. If this show was afterwards and the bades were still $125 then rooms at TI and Harrahs and other places would be $50-99 a night. Drawing in waaaaaaaay more regular webmasters. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2005-11-04, 11:03 PM	#26
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	$250 a night for harrahs? OMFG that is silly. Alex

2005-11-05, 03:21 PM	#30
emmanuelle 0100011101100101011001010 1101011001000000100001101 1010000110100101100011 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,441	I got a package through orbitz- $1850 tx inc- 6 nights at the TI and my flight from Montreal. $1300 less than the same trip staying at the Venetian.

2005-11-05, 04:16 PM	#32
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Far-L, it isn't about "why" things are expensive, we can all figure it out. I can understand almost down to the smallest item WHY we are paying insane rates for hotels... It just sorta sucks to be put into that position. Alex

2005-11-05, 04:49 PM	#35
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Linkster, CES and AEE open on the same day, so the influence is about the same... on that particular hotel, yes, AEE has an effect, but AEE doesn't have an effect on the prices at NYNY or Tropicana or whatever... and they are all priced insane for the same time period. The ventian will likely not have very much space available for larger functions, as most of the other space is rented out to companies doing stuff for CES (display areas, product demos, and whatnot). It is almost impossible to get ballroom space from Wednesday to Sunday... stuff is all taken up and busy. I think you will see every bar, every room, and every hospitality suite overrun with CES geeks. Our show(s) are merely a drop in the bucket compared to CES attendance. 135,000+ people: http://www.cesweb.org/press/news/rd_...l.asp?id=10481 The AEE show is held with the CES show because there is a huge number of people in town, business types, who are usually travelling without a wife or other distractions, often alone or only with coworkers. They can easily slide away for a couple of hours to go drool on pornstars. AEE run one week later would not be anywhere near as successful a show, attendance wise. Moving the Internext show to the days right after that wouldn't help very much, as the hotel rooms are still pricey and would require most companies to pay high price rooms anyway for setup time and whatnot. It is truly a no win situation. The only thing it does do is make the Florida show hotel prices look sweet. Alex

2005-11-05, 10:42 PM	#40
docholly Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sin-City USA Posts: 4,973	I was at the CEA (advisory board) a few weeks ago and raised the question about CES running the same time as the Adult shows and the president of CEA told me they plan it that way on purpose because they get at least 1/2 day extra out of the attendees before they run to see the pornstars which ups their numbers every year and provides relatively 'free' entertainment for the attendees. This week was SEMA, an equally sized show and directly across the street at the Rivera was Adultcon which was just a huge room of girls 99% naked, signing autographs for 20.00 and the line was out the door into the street. **a bit of a tip** it's a bit farther from the Venetian, but the strip has added 50 new double decker buses and the Stardust has fairly good rooms. Also if you want to stay "off strip" even cheaper, there will be transportation from the Rio for CES to the Sands.. so you could stay at the Rio (mildly expensive) Palms (mildly expensive) or the Gold Coast (cheap) Edit: One thing if you are coming, you might want to do is register for CES. It's free you just have to say you are in purchasing or something. But it's a great show to see the latest technology and several new platforms that will eventually be in need of content delivery. __________________ Support Indie Porn Sites OMGoddess You know you need some Bling!! Last edited by docholly; 2005-11-05 at 10:45 PM.. Reason: just to confuse UW in his warm and toasty boxers

2005-11-05, 11:39 PM	#43
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Boy Greenie - do I ever agree with you - please move the shows!!!!! and make them at different times - sure we might not be able to go to Orlando - but thats ok - its really more for kids anyway Maybe then we can get webmasters attending the shows again - instead of the BS that goes on now - and maybe a few sponsors that have pulled back might be willing to actually sponsor some things again - heck we might even get to have the industry's award show there again and lord forbid bring back the players ball LOL __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-11-07, 01:20 PM	#47
magicmike Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 20	Yeah, it'd be nice if they made internext after the AVN show. Fuck its going to be a mad house with CES in town. I'm still on the wire if I'm going to go. If I do it'll be for the last day or two of the show, and a few days after so CES has time to start clearing out. Luckily I can get some free rooms at one of the harrah's hotels, as the prices are insane. __________________ 40+ Hot Sites $35 to $40 Per Join or 65%

2005-11-07, 04:19 PM	#50
docholly Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sin-City USA Posts: 4,973	Well the only 'slow' season here in vegas for conventions (we're #1 in the world) is the month of DEC and mid june to mid august. otherwise you have major events all the rest of the time. Jan-CES/PPAI/World of Concrete/Outdoor World all have excess of 100K Feb-Magic & Shoe Show 100k March- Con AG 150K April NAB-100K May-National Hardware 100K soo maybe mid June for Vegas and Mid Nov for Florida?? What i never liked about the Vegas show is it is right after New Years so it really interupts the over the holiday vacation schedule unless you include Vegas on your route. CES people will start arriving on the 2nd and leave on the 8th because of all the meeting sessions, move in/out and the actual expo. \|cool\| __________________ Support Indie Porn Sites OMGoddess You know you need some Bling!!