Money with Free Sites?

[gandalfuy]

free sites are a great thing if you keep on doing them.. week after week
you can get a great revenue with time.

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by tigermom

I have to say, I have yet to see the amazing SE benefits of Freesites. I have no problem getting SE traffic to sites, in fact, SE's are my forte, so to speak, but freesites only do so-so on SE's, at best, for me.

I'm starting to see the benefits of SE on the hub where the free-sites sit and for the LL's that list the free-sites but not much for the free-sites themselves. My LL is #2 on Google for the search term Colorado amateur porn –

About ¼ of the remaining 1st page results are LL’s that have listed my free-sites.

We're doing very well on sales within Colorado... Most off my free-sites.

[Jel]

Freesites are a very good addition to your daily routine, but shouldn't be the only thing you do if you want to earn good money in this biz.

Benefits of freesites:
Fantastic tool for honing your sales text - with 2 pages at least that are content-less, you need to get the surfers attention, fast, and get his/her 2 most erogenous (sp) zones - brain/naughty bits going.

The two pages at least of advertising before even having them freeload

The (for the most part) eternal listing on LLs, often rotated so very old freesites still hit the top of the category listings

Good targetted SE traffic that LLs bring in

Relevant, authority links to your freesite(s)

SES picking up your freesite(s) and in some cases giving you very good serps

Downsides of freesites:
None really, apart from the slight monotony of building them.

[LD]

I know this has been asked a lot, but are freesites a better time investment than avs? I've done a few Cyberage sites, and enjoy the change o pace, still freesites tend to be more profitable for me.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

I know this has been asked a lot, but are freesites a better time investment than avs? I've done a few Cyberage sites, and enjoy the change o pace, still freesites tend to be more profitable for me.

Jeeze, you've done 10 or so AVS sites with one AVS company. I'm not surprised that you're not rich off of them.
I know from looking at my wm referral stats that I'm not the only guy making money. But I'm not preaching anymore.

Build and promote 50 AVS's with more than one company, then compare the income. It's at least as hard to learn as the free site trade, and the only way to learn is by building.

A story.
I hated the whole concept of free sites and TGP's, still do, I still think we'd all be richer if surfers had to pay to see jerk-off quality porn, but when I got my mojo going again and started on my comeback trail I figured they must be cool, so I built 50 of them to check it out. My first 10 sucked, but I got better at it, and appreciate the money. I fuck around with galleries for TGP's as well, it's not a perfect world so you've got to work with what's there.

I'm as good as I'll likely ever be with them though, and the bottom line in checks cashed is that AVS's convert better up front and retain members better than paysites do, and with AVS I can still sell paysites.

On the plus side for free sites, they send more traffic to my LL, which exchanges traffic with submitted AVS sites and free sites, and gives me hits to cam babes, sponsor galleries, etc.

On the plus side for AVS is they make me more money, but I'm not preaching anymore.
I'm just going to keep doing what works.

[Porn Junkie]

I'll also say that most of my sales comes from freesites, but right now, i'll slowing them down. Trying to do about 2-3 per week ... trying is the key word right there.

Im finishing up on my hub and thats held my attention for the past few weeks right now, sadly put off freesites/avs sites in that time but about to rev it back up to about 5/week.

[LD]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Jeeze, you've done 10 or so AVS sites with one AVS company. I'm not surprised that you're not rich off of them.
I know from looking at my wm referral stats that I'm not the only guy making money. But I'm not preaching anymore.

Build and promote 50 AVS's with more than one company, then compare the income. It's at least as hard to learn as the free site trade, and the only way to learn is by building.

A story.
I hated the whole concept of free sites and TGP's, still do, I still think we'd all be richer if surfers had to pay to see jerk-off quality porn, but when I got my mojo going again and started on my comeback trail I figured they must be cool, so I built 50 of them to check it out. My first 10 sucked, but I got better at it, and appreciate the money. I fuck around with galleries for TGP's as well, it's not a perfect world so you've got to work with what's there.

I'm as good as I'll likely ever be with them though, and the bottom line in checks cashed is that AVS's convert better up front and retain members better than paysites do, and with AVS I can still sell paysites.

On the plus side for free sites, they send more traffic to my LL, which exchanges traffic with submitted AVS sites and free sites, and gives me hits to cam babes, sponsor galleries, etc.

On the plus side for AVS is they make me more money, but I'm not preaching anymore.
I'm just going to keep doing what works.

I do want to do more avs...I wish i would make things happen faster, but with the job (aka "goddam fucking job" as it's known i my house) it's hard to squeeze it all in.

There's still a lot to learn on my part doing avs, but I do want to get there eventually.

Don't quit preachng Sheepdude, you've helped me, and i'm sure others quite a bit..

[Tekster]

I think I got it now. You have to start your empire by building Free Sites, AVS, hubs etc. and get as many as you can out there. Keep building and in the long term will all pay off.

The problem I had and I think a lot of the new people just getting started have is that in the beginning, it is all a bit overwhelming. What should you do first, how do you promote the sponsors and which sponsors do you use. Until you get a balance and a system going it seems like a bit of a struggle, not unlike any other business. I for example I feel like I got to be good enough at making free sites and I just kept making them, where the AVS model it still is a bit of a struggle, where SheepGuy has the AVS down and it takes him longer to make a free site. I think a balance between AVS and free sites would be ideal, so therefore I will try to make an AVS for every two Free Sites I am making from now on, until I can make one or the other just as easy and who knows, maybe one day I will make more AVS sites than Free Sites.

The point, I think, is to keep going and try some new things until you get good at just about everything.

Sorry about the long rambling.

Hey Sheepguy, don't start preaching, if it weren’t for you I would not know what an AVS site is. Thanks for all the help and inspiration.

[tigermom]

Good strategy there, TEK, and also try to add other sites to the combo, would be my advice. See how blogs work for you, maybe try your hand at niche portals/SEO sites, maybe even a fake TGP or something, I don't know, just try out stuff, see what works for you.

The important thing though, is to promote the sites. With FS it's relatively easy, since the LL's provide most of the traffic and backlinks, with other types of sites, you need different strategies, but don't forget the promoting, just as important, if not more important than building!

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by TekAngel

Thanks to all of you, this is just I needed, maybe it does not sound like encouragement to everybody but it does to me. I guess I will just keep on going like the Energizer Bunny.

TekAngel,

My advice is to build at least 1 freesite a day, and don't get caught up in the "i need nice graphics" trap. mix it up. make a lot of very plain ones, some with nice graphics if you can. and pick content and the niche wisely, try different ons. keep building and submitting, and take a look at the linklists, for example if link-o-rama says the are looking for more "tranny midgets on tricycles" for the god's sake submit those, look at niches that don't have 80000000 sites listed, make a lot of those, so when someone clicks on a category, and then a site, chances are its yours.

just my 2 cents

[Tekster]

Thanks spookyx, that is some great advice.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

To keep this going...Do webmasters in general create more FS's then they submit? I mean do they create 20 a week and only submit the limit which is 1-2 FS's a day depending on the particluar rules of the LL and then add those 5 plus the "extras" to a hub or their own mini link list?

I do. I build freesites pretty much all year but when I'm on I am kicking out 5 a day which is rare these days. I am still submitting freesites from which I built in the first 3 months of this year.

[charlie g]

Very informative thread.

[NY Jester]

Lowry, thats what I figure, I mean it can only help. Even if only to fill a hub page quicker. and you'll always have fresh sites.

Thanks
J-

[BluePlayer]

The great thing about building free sites as that they keep working for you. I run a few yahoo groups from years ago and checked in today as there were messages pending and someone was sending out a link to a site I built probably 4 years ago.

I regularly see my free sites on forums, news groups etc. You just have to keep at it building up to 3 per day.

I wrote this and posted it in another thread but I think it is relevant here.

www.blueplayers.com/tutorial.rar

It is a Tutorial on how I used to work 24/7.