-: FS Auto Submitter :- Pros and Cons? - Page 2

creamxtreme · 2004-02-20, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Surfn
That's for submitting to TGP's. This board is owned by LL owners.

Do you know how fucking funny that is?

I knew someone would say this - almost to the title.

"Ah I dont smoke crack, that is for crackheads, I'd rather have my line of coke. Crackheads are the worst." This is called bigotry. I do not do drugs nor alcohol, I do not condemn people for doing either. But I certainly would not promote neither one of these habits. They're jsut simply not for me.

It's okay to condemn Auto Submits to LL's but not to TGP's. But given it a step further, you promote an auto submit. Then as an LL owner it is okay to Auto Submit to a TGP cause it is not the same thing. Doesn't matter who it is too, if you condemn it then it should be condemned period. ThHun doesn't want to be bombarded with Auto Submits, cause he gets to many submissions. In fact, he doesn't want to get more than one but every three four days, from the same webmaster.

As for reinventing the wheel - this is not what I asked to do here. Maybe I should of retitled it. Asking for Pros and Cons was a bad idea, as I can see now. What I was looking for was some webmasters who would like to increase their traffic as well as their submits, by joining a program, that if used properly, would benefit those who chose to be a part of it.

Have a nice day!
Nick

Still LMAO!!!

Greenguy · 2004-02-20, 08:21 AM

1 - that's not an auto submitter - taken form their site:

Quote:

Standard Submitter was designed by webmasters for webmasters. This is the tool you need if you are a professional webmaster who needs to improve your productivity while maintaining the integrity of hand submission...

2 - I do not allow suto submits to my link lists, but I have a few other TGP's & Link Lists that do receive auto submits - and it is a really big pain in the ass

Surfn · 2004-02-20, 09:00 AM

I may be a moron but my submits get listed by others. Do you have ANY idea how many LL & TGP owners you are alienating?

Ramster · 2004-02-20, 11:44 AM

If you want to build an autosubmitter put in a week and email 400 link lists owners and ask them if they want to be included. I'm sure you'll get some that do.

But the bigger sites like those who frequent this board do not want anything to do with autosbmitters.

It's been said a MILLION times, a high percentage of people who use autosubmitters do not read the rules!!! I have a link list without a gay category and if you include me I'd bet my house I'd get gay submissions. And more often than not, you get submissions with FPAs before the content or money bars on the bottom of pages or something else not allowed.

creamxtreme · 2004-02-20, 02:29 PM

...it says Auto Submit Pros and Cons. In otherwords a debatable issue.

I may have made the mistake of asking for the negative side of it, but I opened that door. I have no problem hashing out these issues.

As for alienating anyone - well let me say this - if you enter a debate and you wish to discuss the issue, then you turn around and hate someone cause you chose to enter that debate, well then you to me, are someone I do not want to know anyhow.

So alienate me. I've stood on my own for a long time and I see no real need to find a great deal more "friends" just associates. Those who choose too, will understand the issue and the points of the issue. My one site holds about 500 members strong.

In fact, over the past year, I have averaged at least 1 sign up a day. The target at which I aimed.

Any submissions I have made I get accepted at about 70% of the time. I think this is fairly good.

I get requests from sites to put them on my front pages - that's how many hits they get. But this doesn't make me the best - I would never serve my ego in this fashion, cause I really have none to serve.

When I came into the adult business, it was about helping people and getting help at the same time - at which point it made a turn elsewhere, if it ever did, I do not know.

However, when someone brings up an issue and I do not agree with it, I certainly am not going to hate or alienate them cause the issue and I do not agree. I either avoid the subject altogether or I comment on it and forget it. And definitely am not going to try to convince someone how wrong they are because of their position, all this does is convince them even more of how right they are.

Ramster, yes I understand your point and the thing about gathering emails and writing to people, even though it is a valid business proposition, I feel it is like spamming. So I felt bringing it out in a public form was much better. This one here cause this is where most of the LL owner's hang out.

Now about the rules - again, just prior to submission on the script I was working on, it clearly says, familiarize yourself with the rules here. Get recip buttons here. "Make sure you know what people want and eveyone will be happy". I would like to see honest webmasters getting involved who have honest submitters.

Yet, we all get bad seeds occassionally. These bads seeds under this program will be weeded out, to never get in again. So really it is not a bad idea. Much like standard submitter says by webmasters for webmasters, but also for good submitters and nothing more.

Which eventually, you will see a pool of excellent submitters and will not need to allow any new ones in - unless neccessary.

And those are the days of our lives!

Nick

P.S. Debate is cool Surfn and no one is trying to alienate anyone. In fact i got a couple good responses from this thread already.

Surfn · 2004-02-20, 03:37 PM

My position on autosubmitters is well known. Also the fact that I do not participate in pissing matches. Call them debates if you like. Have a nice long life.

AcidMaX · 2004-02-20, 04:29 PM

Disagreeing with a point is not bigotry its called an opinion. Just because someone takes auto-submits on a TGP and not on a link list means nothing. They could use the tgp just for feeder traffic, maybe they dont care about the quality of the content on the TGP as opposed to their link list.

Auto submitters suck and pretty much no one uses them, I write my own stuff to help make the recips for me on galleries and stuff but they are all submitted by hand to each of the sites. You have your opinion to what you want to do, the nice thing about this board is that you will get everyones honest answer and not someone tip-toing around. If they dont like the idea they will tell you. Right now the problem is with cheaters and consider the size of the sites some of these people operate. Imagine getting 300+ submissions a day and 70% of them being from auto submitters who are submitting 3-4 or more sites/galleries a day. Its a pain in the ass.

Andy

Ramster · 2004-02-20, 05:21 PM

creamextreme
I can see you have totally good intentions. Putting info on recip buttons, reading rules ect.

But the problem is a webmaster comes along and doesn't see an AutoSubmitter as a tool for making his long day of submitting easier. Too many see it as a way of slapping out as many free sites as they can, spamming sites without reading the rules and being familiar with what a link list wants. That's the problem more often that not. Not you, the autosubmitter maker (other than if you put link lists on there that say no autosubmitters in their rules), it's the people who abuse it and believe me, toooooooooo many do.

It's a good debate, but the issue is still the people who abuse the hell out of an autosubmitter make it not worth allowing submissions from any one of them on the market.

novices · 2004-02-20, 06:15 PM

Well said Cleo, yours is the voice of reason and I think takes the day.

creamxtreme · 2004-02-20, 08:07 PM

Once again here I am explaining the thread.

When I wrote it, I did not ask anyone, to side track. The question was what are the Pros and Cons of Auto Submitters.

Someone raised a hair because it was a "touchy issue" and claimed I know how to piss people off. From there this thread went into a spiral - else where away from it's intended scope.

Then, I come along and see something, so I toyed with it, knowing what the response would be. What I wanted to see was who would be the first to defend it. Then get a good laugh out of it - I am still laughing.

Not that it really mattered. From what has developed here is that large LL's don't want the hassle of Auto Submits. And as I also discovered that other smaller LL's welcome them - one for the sake of increasing content.

Next I am being told I am alienating people, albeit, cause I have raised an issue that is "Taboo" in this neck of the woods. And I'll repeat myself about this - if I alienate anyone cause I wanted to know people's opinion, while searching for some associates to join in a program with me, well there is nothing I can do about it.

So, as I stated I did not intend for this to develop into some great debate - although it did, kind of. As I titled it "Pros and Cons" I guess I asked for it.

Something like open mouth insert foot. LOL But this was not what I was looking for. There are a lot of good points against it and not many for it. And like anyone else, I would not want to waste my time developing anything if it is not worth it and will not produce a beneficial, as well as, lucrative return.

There are some good points well taken, chances are, if I can not raise support for the script in another way, then it will probably take a back burner - to other projects of mine. Maybe these projects will be better welcomed.

Now to finalize this and probably close this thread, as with any thread that is started, they can take turns away from their subject matter, as this one mostly did. To many it served no useful purpose - too some well maybe they can go away with somthing good from it - as for me, I certainly do not want anyone P.O.'d at me for bringing up a touchy subject and do not want to alienate anyone.

I have many good and solid relationships with several of you here. Some for many years. As always I hope these relationships will grow and flourish. And truthfully, I will never forget those of you who gave me my start and owe many, many thanks too. Thank You!

For those of you who do not know me - if you wish to judge me by this thread - for good or bad - it is okay with me. There is nothing I could do or would do to change that. We'll either part ways or get together and try to make some serious loot together.

For now I'm outta here - Nick

2004-02-20, 11:44 AM	#29
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,868	If you want to build an autosubmitter put in a week and email 400 link lists owners and ask them if they want to be included. I'm sure you'll get some that do. But the bigger sites like those who frequent this board do not want anything to do with autosbmitters. It's been said a MILLION times, a high percentage of people who use autosubmitters do not read the rules!!! I have a link list without a gay category and if you include me I'd bet my house I'd get gay submissions. And more often than not, you get submissions with FPAs before the content or money bars on the bottom of pages or something else not allowed. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-02-20, 02:29 PM	#30
creamxtreme WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 49	If you paid attention to the title... ...it says Auto Submit Pros and Cons. In otherwords a debatable issue. I may have made the mistake of asking for the negative side of it, but I opened that door. I have no problem hashing out these issues. As for alienating anyone - well let me say this - if you enter a debate and you wish to discuss the issue, then you turn around and hate someone cause you chose to enter that debate, well then you to me, are someone I do not want to know anyhow. So alienate me. I've stood on my own for a long time and I see no real need to find a great deal more "friends" just associates. Those who choose too, will understand the issue and the points of the issue. My one site holds about 500 members strong. In fact, over the past year, I have averaged at least 1 sign up a day. The target at which I aimed. Any submissions I have made I get accepted at about 70% of the time. I think this is fairly good. I get requests from sites to put them on my front pages - that's how many hits they get. But this doesn't make me the best - I would never serve my ego in this fashion, cause I really have none to serve. When I came into the adult business, it was about helping people and getting help at the same time - at which point it made a turn elsewhere, if it ever did, I do not know. However, when someone brings up an issue and I do not agree with it, I certainly am not going to hate or alienate them cause the issue and I do not agree. I either avoid the subject altogether or I comment on it and forget it. And definitely am not going to try to convince someone how wrong they are because of their position, all this does is convince them even more of how right they are. Ramster, yes I understand your point and the thing about gathering emails and writing to people, even though it is a valid business proposition, I feel it is like spamming. So I felt bringing it out in a public form was much better. This one here cause this is where most of the LL owner's hang out. Now about the rules - again, just prior to submission on the script I was working on, it clearly says, familiarize yourself with the rules here. Get recip buttons here. "Make sure you know what people want and eveyone will be happy". I would like to see honest webmasters getting involved who have honest submitters. Yet, we all get bad seeds occassionally. These bads seeds under this program will be weeded out, to never get in again. So really it is not a bad idea. Much like standard submitter says by webmasters for webmasters, but also for good submitters and nothing more. Which eventually, you will see a pool of excellent submitters and will not need to allow any new ones in - unless neccessary. And those are the days of our lives! Nick P.S. Debate is cool Surfn and no one is trying to alienate anyone. In fact i got a couple good responses from this thread already. __________________ Reserved til I figure it out - do I even have the slightest clue?

2004-02-20, 05:21 PM	#33
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,868	creamextreme I can see you have totally good intentions. Putting info on recip buttons, reading rules ect. But the problem is a webmaster comes along and doesn't see an AutoSubmitter as a tool for making his long day of submitting easier. Too many see it as a way of slapping out as many free sites as they can, spamming sites without reading the rules and being familiar with what a link list wants. That's the problem more often that not. Not you, the autosubmitter maker (other than if you put link lists on there that say no autosubmitters in their rules), it's the people who abuse it and believe me, toooooooooo many do. It's a good debate, but the issue is still the people who abuse the hell out of an autosubmitter make it not worth allowing submissions from any one of them on the market. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-02-20, 08:07 PM	#35
creamxtreme WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 49	I still have to laugh! Once again here I am explaining the thread. When I wrote it, I did not ask anyone, to side track. The question was what are the Pros and Cons of Auto Submitters. Someone raised a hair because it was a "touchy issue" and claimed I know how to piss people off. From there this thread went into a spiral - else where away from it's intended scope. Then, I come along and see something, so I toyed with it, knowing what the response would be. What I wanted to see was who would be the first to defend it. Then get a good laugh out of it - I am still laughing. Not that it really mattered. From what has developed here is that large LL's don't want the hassle of Auto Submits. And as I also discovered that other smaller LL's welcome them - one for the sake of increasing content. Next I am being told I am alienating people, albeit, cause I have raised an issue that is "Taboo" in this neck of the woods. And I'll repeat myself about this - if I alienate anyone cause I wanted to know people's opinion, while searching for some associates to join in a program with me, well there is nothing I can do about it. So, as I stated I did not intend for this to develop into some great debate - although it did, kind of. As I titled it "Pros and Cons" I guess I asked for it. Something like open mouth insert foot. LOL But this was not what I was looking for. There are a lot of good points against it and not many for it. And like anyone else, I would not want to waste my time developing anything if it is not worth it and will not produce a beneficial, as well as, lucrative return. There are some good points well taken, chances are, if I can not raise support for the script in another way, then it will probably take a back burner - to other projects of mine. Maybe these projects will be better welcomed. Now to finalize this and probably close this thread, as with any thread that is started, they can take turns away from their subject matter, as this one mostly did. To many it served no useful purpose - too some well maybe they can go away with somthing good from it - as for me, I certainly do not want anyone P.O.'d at me for bringing up a touchy subject and do not want to alienate anyone. I have many good and solid relationships with several of you here. Some for many years. As always I hope these relationships will grow and flourish. And truthfully, I will never forget those of you who gave me my start and owe many, many thanks too. Thank You! For those of you who do not know me - if you wish to judge me by this thread - for good or bad - it is okay with me. There is nothing I could do or would do to change that. We'll either part ways or get together and try to make some serious loot together. For now I'm outta here - Nick __________________ Reserved til I figure it out - do I even have the slightest clue?

2004-02-20, 09:00 AM	#28
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I may be a moron but my submits get listed by others. Do you have ANY idea how many LL & TGP owners you are alienating?

2004-02-20, 03:37 PM	#31
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	My position on autosubmitters is well known. Also the fact that I do not participate in pissing matches. Call them debates if you like. Have a nice long life.

2004-02-20, 04:29 PM	#32
AcidMaX Programming till my fingers bleed. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 876	Disagreeing with a point is not bigotry its called an opinion. Just because someone takes auto-submits on a TGP and not on a link list means nothing. They could use the tgp just for feeder traffic, maybe they dont care about the quality of the content on the TGP as opposed to their link list. Auto submitters suck and pretty much no one uses them, I write my own stuff to help make the recips for me on galleries and stuff but they are all submitted by hand to each of the sites. You have your opinion to what you want to do, the nice thing about this board is that you will get everyones honest answer and not someone tip-toing around. If they dont like the idea they will tell you. Right now the problem is with cheaters and consider the size of the sites some of these people operate. Imagine getting 300+ submissions a day and 70% of them being from auto submitters who are submitting 3-4 or more sites/galleries a day. Its a pain in the ass. Andy

2004-02-20, 06:15 PM	#34
novices Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: canada Posts: 7	Well said Cleo, yours is the voice of reason and I think takes the day.