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Old 2004-09-09, 05:20 AM   #1
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question about promo tools

Do you think promo tools proposed by programs are enough diversified?
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Old 2004-09-09, 05:26 AM   #2
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Hi Celine welcome to the board

Short answer to your question...NO
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Old 2004-09-09, 05:28 AM   #3
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hehe, thanks! Then short question: what do you miss?
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Old 2004-09-09, 05:33 AM   #4
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It varies from program to program...
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Old 2004-09-09, 05:42 AM   #5
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I think it varies from webmaster to webmaster - of course, the more promo tools you offer the webmasters, the better the odds of you having what they need for that particular project.

I like programs that offer hosted free sites, but I'd bet that only 1% of the programs out there are offering them these days (and the number of programs that offer decent ones is about .5% - LOL)

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Old 2004-09-09, 06:04 AM   #6
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I would agree on the hosted free sites - most of the programs out there are filling their members area with hosted galleries for the tgps - and forgetting that the LLs are such a great source of traffic - and most of us list HFS's so it would be to the programs benefit to look at them - definitely another source of income. Seems the smaller programs are the ones that realize this so far - but the bigger ones focus only on the tgps
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Hm... interesting point... Sorry, Linkster, what do you mean by 'HF', please ?
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Old 2004-09-09, 07:14 AM   #8
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Sorry - hosted free sites - sponsors use them as well as hosted galleries as promo tools
hosted free sites are just a free site that a LL would list with a warning page, main page and two galleries (total 20 pics)
The sponsor hosts it just like a hosted gallery - and allow the LL owners to insert their aff ID using php or coding to pass through the hosted free site.
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Old 2004-09-09, 07:19 AM   #9
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It amazes me of how many dont have hosted free sites time to get on the wave folks
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Old 2004-09-09, 08:42 AM   #10
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Wow great thread. We are working on our sponsor program right now I am going to definatly add FHS for LL wms. When I am pushing sponsors myself, I only do TGP so I never thought about the lack of FHS out there. Thanks for the insight on this. Great Post!
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I heard ya We're going to add a bunch in TotemCash. We'll post here when it's ready.
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Old 2004-09-09, 08:44 AM   #12
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I heard ya We're going to add a bunch in TotemCash. We'll post here when it's ready.
And another sponsor to sign up with
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Hmm, I see... but it means you got a url that redirect to a site enterely hosted by the program?
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Old 2004-09-09, 09:01 AM   #14
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Could someone from Totemcash please contact me?

You do not seem to be getting my messages.

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Old 2004-09-09, 09:04 AM   #15
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Could someone from Totemcash please contact me?

You do not seem to be getting my messages.

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That's something you guys need to work on. I tried contacting you many times with no response at all. Granted this was last year, maybe things have changed since then.
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That's something you guys need to work on. I tried contacting you many times with no response at all. Granted this was last year, maybe things have changed since then.
Maybe my ICQ is acting up? Surely they wouldn't just ignore their affiliates?
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I think I used to have someone there on my ICQ, and I would always see them online, but no one would ever answer. I don't know if it's their ICQ settings which don't allow them to see or perhaps they are just to busy.
Sponsors have different ways of dealing with affiliates. I have had many never reply to emails sent to them. I don't mind that since I immediately choose not to promote them, and move on to the next sponsor out there.
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Old 2004-09-09, 09:18 AM   #18
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very sad to read you can't contact me... it is the first time I hear this...
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Old 2004-09-09, 09:22 AM   #19
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very sad to read you can't contact me... it is the first time I hear this...
Celine, I would have told you but I couldn't contact you to let you know!

Hopefully you got that worked out, I am sure it wasn't intentional so I have nothing bad to say about that, I just thought I would mention it since the same thing happened to me.
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Old 2004-09-09, 09:29 AM   #20
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I think I used to have someone there on my ICQ, and I would always see them online, but no one would ever answer. I don't know if it's their ICQ settings which don't allow them to see or perhaps they are just to busy.
Sponsors have different ways of dealing with affiliates. I have had many never reply to emails sent to them. I don't mind that since I immediately choose not to promote them, and move on to the next sponsor out there.
Feel very sad about that... I answer all messages I get here, by icq, email, etc... people usually say we take good care of our contacts...
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Old 2004-09-09, 09:50 AM   #21
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Hmm, I see... but it means you got a url that redirect to a site enterely hosted by the program?
Yes Just like hosted galleries that are made for people with TGP's, a few programs are now offering hosted free sites for people with Link Lists - here's an example of one from KatCash:
http://www.katvixen.com/HFS/massive_...its.php?256287
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Thanks, Greeguy, I see what you mean, now... well, should not be difficult to do... we'll add it to tcash shortly...

I often try to find new tools to help our partners... already did a 'pic of the day' and put our wallpapers at our affiliates' disposal, it worked very well...
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Old 2004-09-09, 10:47 AM   #23
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Just wanted to say that I really like the POTD from Totem Cash (and a few others) that allow me to show a thumb of the pic on my page. This works really well for my hub as it gives me a little more "sticky" content. I would like to see more sponsors doing that.

Like everyone has said it really varies from sponsor to sponsor. The two things that most affects whether or not I promote a sponsor are banner diversity/design and how user friendly their webmaster section is. And I really love it when sponsors email me when they add new hosted sites since I generally dont spend a lot of time browsing my lesser used sponsors sites.

Also the wallpapers from Totem Cash are excellent quality and I actually have one on my computer now. Just wanted to throw that out there
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Old 2004-09-09, 11:02 AM   #24
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Yep, the Pic of the Day does work very well, for direct and indirect sales, as well as the wallpapers...

These klind of tools are great 'cause they reinforce the product recognition and make surfers more easely click & buy via banners...

Thanks for the nice words about the wallpapers, I will let Gerald (our art designer) know!


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Old 2004-09-09, 01:21 PM   #25
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Following is what seems to work for me:

1. Free Hosted Galleries: Make sure that the thumbs are decent sized, the galleries sell the site, and the pics are of decent resolution (I never get conversions from galleries with shitty pics). Also, do not 404 redirect the galleries to anyhting other than a blank page or figure out a way to carry my affiliate code over to that page. When you do static galleries (much more important than rotating galleries IMO), do not change them. We put them in a db with specific descriptions. If they change all the time, we simply delete them from our db as it is too much work to manage constant changes (in content, urls, codes, etc)

2. Downloadabe Galleries: If you don't offer FHG, downloadable galleries are ok too. If you do offer both, don't use the same content on both and vary the templates a little. Otherwise, the same suggestions apply here that apply to FHGs.

3. Free Content: Make the sets decent sized (16 to 20 pics), make certain they are 800x600 at least (larger is better), and make sure that you use at least some different content than is being listed on your FHGs. If you offer FHGs and free content, there is very little to be gained by having the same content in both areas. If I list your FHGs, there is no reason for me to list either submitted galleries with your content or make my own. For niche sites where I am listing everything out there, offering both FHGs and content that are identical does not optimize your exposure.

4. Good Artwork: give me logos, selling bullets with logos, and standard sized banners. Logos and basic artwork make gallery/site building a breeze and are easy to create and offer. Standard sized banners are critical for people who use banner serrvers and rotate ads. 468x60 and 468x80 are key. But also standard vertical sizes and blocks are good too.

5. Free Hosted Sites: They server a different traffic market.

6. Give me a good preview prior to signing up with your program. The most egregious I have found will claim to have FHG's and offer one rotating gallery per site. I want to see examples of all of your tools. Otherwise, I will sign up, be disappointed by the tools, and never promote the proggie.

7. Understand your market and where the traffic comes from. Most of us in the biz awhile make more money with less raw traffic than some of the less experienced folk because we know how to target traffic. Make sure you understand the niche you are in and how it is promoted in the biz. For example, I do alot of soft fetish, and people who like babes in stockings are different than people who like milf's panythose. Yet, I see one major sponsor who just rotated all the content on their hosted galleries in this niche without regard to micro-niche. Hey, it caused me to reconsider the sponsor, look closely at conversions on page views rather than clicks, and realize this sponsor really didn't understand their niche although they had a ton of sites in it. Conversions per page view were crap and all their promo tools got deleted from my dbs. Understand your niches, the traffic structure, and build targeted tools.

Whatever you do, emphasize the quality and uniqueness of your sites. High quality tools result in high quality presentations result in better conversions. I would take 10 well done galleries over 200 shit galleries any day, and sell a hell of alot more memberships that way too!

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