My Beef with TGP owners

Stever · 2005-02-28, 02:59 AM

OK. Whats the deal with pic TGP's. It seems that, much more so, lately, when i click on a pic and expect to see a gallery i get redirected to another TGP. Click on a pic here and get sent to another TGP. and so on. What the Fuck?

Surfers expect to see a gallery with pics of the chic they saw when they clicked. Sending them through 3-4 or more TGP sites before they get to see a gallery with a link to a sponsor must drive down conversions. I find it very annoying, others must too.

So whats up? Are these TGP owners just using shitty scripts to automate things (but dont actually work very well) or do they not get enough submitters so they fill the blanks with links to sites they share traffic with. Or are the submitters cheating and throwing in a link to their TGP instead of a gallery? or all the above?

Very curious about this.

Kinky · 2005-02-28, 03:15 AM

it is called a "skim" it is a way that some TGPs are trading traffic now, they force surfers around, kind of like a "circle jerk" site, basically sometimes you will see the gallery you expect and sometimes you will get sent to a "trade" in the network

the New Shemp · 2005-02-28, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stever

OK. Whats the deal with pic TGP's. It seems that, much more so, lately, when i click on a pic and expect to see a gallery i get redirected to another TGP. Click on a pic here and get sent to another TGP. and so on. What the Fuck?

Surfers expect to see a gallery with pics of the chic they saw when they clicked. Sending them through 3-4 or more TGP sites before they get to see a gallery with a link to a sponsor must drive down conversions. I find it very annoying, others must too.

So whats up? Are these TGP owners just using shitty scripts to automate things (but dont actually work very well) or do they not get enough submitters so they fill the blanks with links to sites they share traffic with. Or are the submitters cheating and throwing in a link to their TGP instead of a gallery? or all the above?

Very curious about this.

if you do it right, you can make one surfer appear to be 10 surfers, then brag how big your site is...

Useless · 2005-02-28, 08:46 AM

What's a TGP?

At the party I was at this weekend I had a guy tell me that he has gone back to buying magazines and vhs tapes for porn because he was so tired of being fucked with by online porn.

Thank you circle-jerkers.

Cleo · 2005-02-28, 08:48 AM

Just draw pretty pics

Stever · 2005-02-28, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

At the party I was at this weekend I had a guy tell me that he has gone back to buying magazines and vhs tapes for porn because he was so tired of being fucked with by online porn.

VHS? Whats that? lol. Do they still make porn in that format?

So why would gallery builders continue to submitt to these sites that skim in this way? Your galleies are not getting seen nearly as much cause the surfer gets skimmed away to another site instead of your seeing the gallery they clicked.

Stupid buisness practice. Sure you artificialy inflate your traffic numbers but you cant convert fake traffic. Unless you expect fake cheques to magicaly appear in your mailbox.

Verbal · 2005-02-28, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Stever

Stupid buisness practice. Sure you artificialy inflate your traffic numbers but you cant convert fake traffic. Unless you expect fake cheques to magicaly appear in your mailbox.

You're forgetting many webmasters buy gallery and banners spots on those TGP's and those spots are not cheap. A TGP owner can make nice non-fake money just selling spots. The more traffic you "appear" to have, the more you can charge.

Also, it's all about bragging rights on SexTracker. More traffic = bigger cock. lol

Thumbler · 2005-02-28, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

Also, it's all about bragging rights on SexTracker. More traffic = bigger cock. lol

I thought it was more traffic made you a bigger dick

cd34 · 2005-02-28, 06:49 PM

I wonder if it creates a surfer more prone to bookmarking when they hit a non-CJ/trade site

zack2004 · 2005-02-28, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cd34

I wonder if it creates a surfer more prone to bookmarking when they hit a non-CJ/trade site

When I surf if I get a blind link, I move on and never look back. There are to many sites that DON'T jerk you around that I don't have time to waste on the ones that do.

GeorgeTH · 2005-02-28, 09:00 PM

1. there are heaps of TGPs going overboard with their skimming right now; ratios of 60% of clicks, or less, to galleries seem to become the norm!
2. most TGP traffic (I know of) is actually decreasing since 2003 - probably some 15-20% of sites are still growing w/o purchased traffic!
- - - any connection between 1 & 2 - sure! Question is: is their traffic going down because they piss off surfers by skimming too much, or are they skimming so much because their traffic is going downhill? Anybody who has solved the question about the chicken and the egg should know the answer to thisone...

3. confession: picXS is skimming (only) between 20% and 37%, all links go "1st click" to content (meaning: 1st surfer click should always show a real gallery, not a trade), and all my top links are below 25% skimming, down the list the skimming gets heavier...

cd34 · 2005-02-28, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zack2004

When I surf if I get a blind link, I move on and never look back. There are to many sites that DON'T jerk you around that I don't have time to waste on the ones that do.

That's what I was saying.

You hit a CJ/Trade site, and move on. Once you find a site that doesn't redirect, are you more likely to bookmark that site?

My guess is that enough surfers get irritated at the popups, redirects, trade/cj stuff and when they find a site that doesn't do that, they may be more predisposed bookmark an 'honest' site.

Sly · 2005-03-01, 12:33 AM

I'm wondering how many of you with such strong TGP opinions have ever submitted galleries on a regular basis... my guess is not many.

Mr. Blue · 2005-03-01, 02:59 AM

I submit daily to TGP's, huge traffic, pretty decent traffic, I get sales, I'm happy. I don't pay for listings, but I might pay for a partner account or two.

I think the only person that really could complain about TGP's are the people that buy spots and find them totally unproductive because possibly the tgp is inflating their numbers, etc.

As for the surfer...honestly they're paying nothing, what do they expect? Buy a membership maybe? Isn't that what the main goal is? It's not to feed free porn and make people happy. It's show them a sample..make them buy...everyone is happy.

A few of the sponsors I promote tossed me a membership to their sites. Honestly worth the value, huge high def movies, more then enough to keep the average perv busy for a month. So, I don't really have sympathy for the cheapskate that wants free porn, lol.

If they don't want to get circle jerked let them buy a membership.

SaNteria · 2005-03-01, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I'm wondering how many of you with such strong TGP opinions have ever submitted galleries on a regular basis... my guess is not many.

There's no money in tgps Sly, no one should submit galleries.

Kinky · 2005-03-01, 04:35 AM

sweet another thread that is turning into a pissing fight over whether or not skimming is good or bad

Stever · 2005-03-01, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kinky

sweet another thread that is turning into a pissing fight over whether or not skimming is good or bad

Seems I tapped a nerve.

Kinky · 2005-03-01, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Stever

Seems I tapped a nerve.

LOL, nothing that hasn't been tapped a million times before... different people use different business practices... in the end the right ones will still be around

Undisputed1 · 2005-03-01, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cd34

That's what I was saying.

You hit a CJ/Trade site, and move on. Once you find a site that doesn't redirect, are you more likely to bookmark that site?

My guess is that enough surfers get irritated at the popups, redirects, trade/cj stuff and when they find a site that doesn't do that, they may be more predisposed bookmark an 'honest' site.

When I was a surfer, when I reached a site that did not skim a lot(more to gallery). I bookmarked faster, I trusted the site more and I always checked back with the site whenever I wanted to buy a membership. My skim is at 70% to galleries and plan on increasing it. My bookmarkers are growing an their productivity is around 300% daily

SirMoby · 2005-03-01, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Stever

OK. Whats the deal with pic TGP's. It seems that, much more so, lately, when i click on a pic and expect to see a gallery i get redirected to another TGP. Click on a pic here and get sent to another TGP. and so on. What the Fuck?

Surfers expect to see a gallery with pics of the chic they saw when they clicked. Sending them through 3-4 or more TGP sites before they get to see a gallery with a link to a sponsor must drive down conversions. I find it very annoying, others must too.

So whats up? Are these TGP owners just using shitty scripts to automate things (but dont actually work very well) or do they not get enough submitters so they fill the blanks with links to sites they share traffic with. Or are the submitters cheating and throwing in a link to their TGP instead of a gallery? or all the above?

Very curious about this.

Millions of dollars are being made using skim. Should these TGP owners just stop doing this so that you can get free porn more easily?

mistersmut · 2005-03-01, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SaNteria

There's no money in tgps Sly, no one should submit galleries.

Right on!
TGP's are a figment of the liberal media and the dental industry to scare you into buying useless appliances and pastes!

Tommy · 2005-03-01, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cd34

I wonder if it creates a surfer more prone to bookmarking when they hit a non-CJ/trade site

I allways thought it did
thats why I always keep a few trades with with cj sites

after being on the merry go round for awhile they gotta love Tommys

FoZzI · 2005-03-01, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SaNteria

There's no money in tgps Sly, no one should submit galleries.

lol

Submit afew gay movie galleries aweek to alittle over 100 tgp/mgps. Makes my world go around

fireorange · 2005-03-01, 11:45 AM

A skimmed TGP/MGP makes no money.

Tell that to the owner of http://www.spermshack.com/

DeniseAWC · 2005-03-01, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

Also, it's all about bragging rights on SexTracker. More traffic = bigger cock. lol

I don't have a COCK but I do have 12 TGP sites and I've been looking at skims and trades but it is such a pain in the arse for surfers that I haven't bothered yet!

I'm always looking for regular submitters who wanna be partners though!

2005-02-28, 02:59 AM	#1
Stever Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 208	My Beef with TGP owners OK. Whats the deal with pic TGP's. It seems that, much more so, lately, when i click on a pic and expect to see a gallery i get redirected to another TGP. Click on a pic here and get sent to another TGP. and so on. What the Fuck? Surfers expect to see a gallery with pics of the chic they saw when they clicked. Sending them through 3-4 or more TGP sites before they get to see a gallery with a link to a sponsor must drive down conversions. I find it very annoying, others must too. So whats up? Are these TGP owners just using shitty scripts to automate things (but dont actually work very well) or do they not get enough submitters so they fill the blanks with links to sites they share traffic with. Or are the submitters cheating and throwing in a link to their TGP instead of a gallery? or all the above? Very curious about this.

2005-02-28, 03:15 AM	#2
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	it is called a "skim" it is a way that some TGPs are trading traffic now, they force surfers around, kind of like a "circle jerk" site, basically sometimes you will see the gallery you expect and sometimes you will get sent to a "trade" in the network __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2005-02-28, 08:46 AM	#4
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	What's a TGP? At the party I was at this weekend I had a guy tell me that he has gone back to buying magazines and vhs tapes for porn because he was so tired of being fucked with by online porn. Thank you circle-jerkers. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-02-28, 08:48 AM	#5
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2005-02-28, 06:49 PM	#9
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2005-02-28, 09:00 PM	#11
GeorgeTH Don't let a programmer design your front-end pages! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: currently on the road in CA Posts: 781	1. there are heaps of TGPs going overboard with their skimming right now; ratios of 60% of clicks, or less, to galleries seem to become the norm! 2. most TGP traffic (I know of) is actually decreasing since 2003 - probably some 15-20% of sites are still growing w/o purchased traffic! - - - any connection between 1 & 2 - sure! Question is: is their traffic going down because they piss off surfers by skimming too much, or are they skimming so much because their traffic is going downhill? Anybody who has solved the question about the chicken and the egg should know the answer to thisone... 3. confession: picXS is skimming (only) between 20% and 37%, all links go "1st click" to content (meaning: 1st surfer click should always show a real gallery, not a trade), and all my top links are below 25% skimming, down the list the skimming gets heavier... __________________ Have a nice day!

2005-03-01, 12:33 AM	#13
Sly A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 58	I'm wondering how many of you with such strong TGP opinions have ever submitted galleries on a regular basis... my guess is not many. __________________ Yappo Dollars VOD Email: sly@yappodollars.com - ICQ: 147479144

2005-03-01, 02:59 AM	#14
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	I submit daily to TGP's, huge traffic, pretty decent traffic, I get sales, I'm happy. I don't pay for listings, but I might pay for a partner account or two. I think the only person that really could complain about TGP's are the people that buy spots and find them totally unproductive because possibly the tgp is inflating their numbers, etc. As for the surfer...honestly they're paying nothing, what do they expect? Buy a membership maybe? Isn't that what the main goal is? It's not to feed free porn and make people happy. It's show them a sample..make them buy...everyone is happy. A few of the sponsors I promote tossed me a membership to their sites. Honestly worth the value, huge high def movies, more then enough to keep the average perv busy for a month. So, I don't really have sympathy for the cheapskate that wants free porn, lol. If they don't want to get circle jerked let them buy a membership.

2005-03-01, 04:35 AM	#16
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	sweet another thread that is turning into a pissing fight over whether or not skimming is good or bad __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2005-03-01, 11:45 AM	#24
fireorange Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 16	A skimmed TGP/MGP makes no money. Tell that to the owner of http://www.spermshack.com/