Would these sites be accepted?

[gaydemon]

I'm working on a project for myself which involves creating small free sites. The sites have several restrictions due to how they are created but the main idea was to create very straight forward, clean (maybe too clean), good free sites that actually might give something to the surfer AND the link lists / directories that list them in terms of good content etc.

So with that in mind, would for example these sites be accepted on any major Straight link lists (with gay categories):

http://sites.pornisation.com/four_yo...uples_fucking/

http://sites.pornisation.com/latino_...r_ready_to_fu/

http://sites.pornisation.com/4_incre...amateur_cocks/

http://sites.pornisation.com/horny_bear_cubs/

http://sites.pornisation.com/ricky_b...2_black_cocks/

Please feel free to critisize. But I think the above free sites gives you a picture of what the restrictions are as well. Layouts are kind of rigid but still try and make them look different.

Are they too clean? Not enough difference in layouts and looks? Would they be accepted?

[Fonz]

They look pretty clean to me. But a few things:

- You're only allowed to use 3 outgoing links per page. On your index pages you're using 6-7.
- Some of your pics are rather small (600 on the long side) LL owners prefer pics a little bigger.
- Also try to avoid mixing movies and pictures, while some LL owners won't mind this others will.
- 4 galleries for a freesite is too much for me personally (it makes reviewing last longer and I'm a lazy bastard )
- try to avoid using banners that contain images that could be seen as clickable thumbs but take you directly to the paysite.
- and don't use subdomains for your freesites

Other than that they look pretty ok to me.

[gaydemon]

Really? Interesting..

So:

• I had a mistake in my templates. It should be 4 links in total per index page (except the landing page which would have more due to reciprocal links).
  
  Out of those 4 links, 2 would be the eaxct same (sponsor) link. So is it only really possible to have 3 links that goes to another domain?
  
  But does that also mean I can only have 3 reciprocal links on the landing page? How can you then trade with more than 3 sites?
  
  
• The picture sizes are as big as they come, thats what we as affiliates are provided with by sponsors. So very little choice. Believe me, I've tried to push sponsor to provide better pictures for blogs and sites.
  
  
• 3-4 galleries on gay free sits are pretty much a standard. It can be less but most use 4 galleries.
  
  
• subdomains, why? Subdomains are there to organize or split up a domain if it contains more than 1 site. which this domain does, the main pornisation.com is another site and works differently where as sites.pornisation.com is dedicated to hosting free sites. Sounds like a odd rule to me..
  

It sounds like the straight side of link lists have a lot more to choose from, if I use any of those rules on gaydemon (which is one of the largest gay link lists still existing) I would not have any sites left to list.

Gay free and AVS sites are in 90% of cases really bad, no one creates good sites anymore. At least not that I get to see. So it does surprise me a bit that straight link lists are able to keep such strict rules.

I do wish gay sites where better.. but unfortunatley they are not.

Anyway thanks for those points. Not sure then how I can get accepted its things that are hard to follow.

Originally Posted by Fonz

They look pretty clean to me. But a few things:

- You're only allowed to use 3 outgoing links per page. On your index pages you're using 6-7.
- Some of your pics are rather small (600 on the long side) LL owners prefer pics a little bigger.
- Also try to avoid mixing movies and pictures, while some LL owners won't mind this others will.
- 4 galleries for a freesite is too much for me personally (it makes reviewing last longer and I'm a lazy bastard )
- try to avoid using banners that contain images that could be seen as clickable thumbs but take you directly to the paysite.
- and don't use subdomains for your freesites

Other than that they look pretty ok to me.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by gaydemon

I had a mistake in my templates. It should be 4 links in total per index page (except the landing page which would have more due to reciprocal links).

Out of those 4 links, 2 would be the eaxct same (sponsor) link. So is it only really possible to have 3 links that goes to another domain?

But does that also mean I can only have 3 reciprocal links on the landing page? How can you then trade with more than 3 sites?

3 outgoing links per page means that you can put up 3 links maximum that point to sites outside your freesite, recip links aren't included in those 3 links. You can have 15-20 recips on your index page (I don't know where you make the deifference between index and landing page, they're both the same to me).

Originally Posted by gaydemon

The picture sizes are as big as they come, thats what we as affiliates are provided with by sponsors. So very little choice. Believe me, I've tried to push sponsor to provide better pictures for blogs and sites.

Bigger LL's such al Link-o-Rama require that you have pics with at least 1200 px on both sides combined (length + height). So if you want to egt listed there I suggest you try to find bigger pics.

Originally Posted by gaydemon

3-4 galleries on gay free sits are pretty much a standard. It can be less but most use 4 galleries.

Yeah I heard something about that, never understood why.

Originally Posted by gaydemon

subdomains, why? Subdomains are there to organize or split up a domain if it contains more than 1 site. which this domain does, the main pornisation.com is another site and works differently where as sites.pornisation.com is dedicated to hosting free sites. Sounds like a odd rule to me..

That's an old rule from when sites on subdomains where synonym to freehosting accounts. Mysite.Freehost.com etc. So the user didn't have control over his hosting. I know this is not the case for you but it's a standard rule for so if you want to get listed on the "straight" sites it's best you fiollow it.

[gaydemon]

Thanks for the explenation. Much appriciated.

About those outgoing links. Does 1 banner and 1 text link, both linked to the same URL count as 1 link or 2 links?

Originally Posted by Fonz

3 outgoing links per page means that you can put up 3 links maximum that point to sites outside your freesite, recip links aren't included in those 3 links. You can have 15-20 recips on your index page (I don't know where you make the deifference between index and landing page, they're both the same to me.

I guess straight link lists have such a lot bigger choice from what submissions to accept that you can have these strict rules. I wish we could have the same in the gay side of it. Its pretty awful what we got being created now days, very few good old site builders left.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by gaydemon

About those outgoing links. Does 1 banner and 1 text link, both linked to the same URL count as 1 link or 2 links?

1 if the text is right below the banner

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Fonz

That's an old rule from when sites on subdomains where synonym to freehosting accounts. Mysite.Freehost.com etc. So the user didn't have control over his hosting. I know this is not the case for you but it's a standard rule for so if you want to get listed on the "straight" sites it's best you fiollow it.

I think this old rule requires review. We all know how to make a difference between freehosts and domains owned by a submitter. Subdomains are very powerful tools with proper use.

[1freepornfinder]

I like the look of the sites and don't care about the subdomains...

[Mateusz]

Unless you have some kind of arragement with LL owner - NO

You are breaking to many rules to have your sites listed on a standard LL
- subdomains
- to many outgooing links
- some reviewers may not like banners that look like clickable thumbs http://sites.pornisation.com/4_incre...ocks/main.html

And why the hell you need 4 galleries?
From what I've seen those sites with 4-6 galleries are always in gay niche

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Ahhh, Fonz replied quicker.. again

[gaydemon]

I've always tried to speak out about using less content, I dont like giving away too much. But in the gay market, you can pretty much get whole paysites for free now. There are so much content and affiliates uses HUGE amount of content in whatever way they promote sites. So if you want to compete you got to at least have a certain Minimum.

For example these free sites I showed here mostly have 36-48 pictures, this means that some larger gay link lists wont list them, not enough content! Which is why I only list them on my own sites to provide my traffic with clean galleries, and on Manpics200.

Gaydemon, Manpics2000 and Hunkhunter I belive is the only Gay link lists with a higher amount of traffic.

Originally Posted by Mateusz

Unless you have some kind of arragement with LL owner - NO

You are breaking to many rules to have your sites listed on a standard LL
- subdomains
- to many outgooing links
- some reviewers may not like banners that look like clickable thumbs http://sites.pornisation.com/4_incre...ocks/main.html

And why the hell you need 4 galleries?
From what I've seen those sites with 4-6 galleries are always in gay niche

--------- edit

Ahhh, Fonz replied quicker.. again

[gaydemon]

What If I offered two versions of site in terms or URL:

http://www.pornisation.com/4_incredible_amateur_cocks/

http://sites.pornisation.com/4_incre...amateur_cocks/

I guess I could always put a robot.txt file in the www telling it not to spider or index those pages.

Seems silly though because they way ive designed these would mean there might be some PR on them at some point, but not on the www.

[VicD]

Feel free to add some here http://diamondsexlinks.com/

[spacemanspiff]

I've always made an exception to my "too much content" rule (not that I really have a rule like that) with gay sites since so many of the gay link lists have/had a 50 pic minimum. If I didn't I wouldn't have anything to list.

I'd lost those sites as is.

[gaydemon]

I was just about to try and start submitting some of my sites to the larger link lists but will probably not even try.

Most of the link lists asks you to choose a specific reciprocal link button based on what type of content, while I can see why they want that, its totally impractical and not possible to do if you try and create a larger amount of good free sites.

not only that, half of the reciplinks (HTML) are so old and bad HTML that it would break my xhtml designs.

It just seems to me, that the whole link list and submitter relationship is so one sided, making it very difficult for the submitters.

The rules also are strict but fail to address the issue with design and looks, Ive seem some pretty horrible looking sites which I would never want to list. They do comply to the rules though..

Sorry, thats my moan..

So what I wonder is it really worth it? Is the traffic so great that it makes up for all the extra work it takes?

How much traffic can you expect to a single listing, and for how long?

[Bill]

It IS kind of a hassle, dealing with category recip links. Cat recips, as they are called, have this very weird history.

And sorry to tell you, but dynamic sites with xhtml might get looked on with suspicion by some of the better 'straight' linklist owners - if you are well known and trustworthy you can do it, but a new submitter coming in with dynamic sites might be rejected as a possible cheater.

And yes, the relationship is very one-sided - but thats life, one-sided relationships are common everywhere you look. And ESPECIALLY common in the adult traffic biz.

I feel much the same way about places like altagay - gee thanks, you want me to give you 60 pics for you to give your surfer all the jerk-off content he needs. On the other hand, places like altagay accept blind links and more agressive ads.

So I think it boils down to what you've become accustomed too.

How much traffic can you expect to get from a single listing? Not that much. The actual number varies with subniche, but gay traffic is about 20% of straight traffic. It's been a while since I measured actual traffic numbers - however, I'd say that the number is still slowly declining overall, and will probably decline more.

How long does it last? Well, the initial burst doesn't last long, about 2 weeks per listing, but then you get dribbles of traffic for quite a while.

[turf]

not to hijack this thread but would movie free sites be accepted if they followed the rules but used flash movies insted of downoadable ones ?

[Bill]

You should start a new thread with that topic, or maybe do some searches on it, cuz this thread is nopw old enough and specific enough that your post will be missed by the folks that can answer.

[gaydemon]

Is there definitly no way of getting sites listed which use Google Analytics script? Say you dont put it on the warning / first page but only the main and gallery pages?

I think I can sort out the other issues, with some work but I just dont like submitting blind and not being able to see exactly what goes on.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by gaydemon

Is there definitly no way of getting sites listed which use Google Analytics script? Say you dont put it on the warning / first page but only the main and gallery pages?

I think I can sort out the other issues, with some work but I just dont like submitting blind and not being able to see exactly what goes on.

Well, the old answer, before trusted submitter accounts became more common earlier this year, was pretty simple - NO COUNTERS, NO SCRIPTS of any kind, on any page, or you get banned. The site owners would say - if you want stats, look at your server stats.

I've seen a few simple perl based counters that didn't put a <script code on the page - but thats not much more conveinient than checking webalyzer or whatever crappy stats package one gets with most server accounts.

[tigermom]

Good to see you here, Bjorn!

I have to say, Gaydemon is one of the handful of gay linklists I can submit FS to that actually comply with the stricter straight LL's rules. I wish more gay LL's would accept sites with 24 images in them.

Gaydemon is an awesome sites, and if you submit gay FS, it's a must on your recip table, IMO.

[justbc4u]

hello everyone yea newbie here i tried submitting my site not sure if i did it right plus being a college student i only have a free e-mail and my school e-mail (not allowed to use for porn) anyway would like to exchange links with anyone willing to do whatever it takes. also would love some professional feedback on my site how it looks, design,layout,content from more experienced people.
thanks.
http://mistressangela.parkyourporno.com/

[Bill]

Kinda the wrong thread guy.

You're gonna have a bit of a tough time getting this traffic given the limitations you have. A free email and freehost is a liability.

You should start a thread in newbies section. In a sense you present an interesting problem - is it possible for a really busted broke person like a college student to bootstrap themselves into this as self-employment for a minimal investment?

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by justbc4u

hello everyone yea newbie here i tried submitting my site not sure if i did it right plus being a college student i only have a free e-mail and my school e-mail (not allowed to use for porn) anyway would like to exchange links with anyone willing to do whatever it takes. also would love some professional feedback on my site how it looks, design,layout,content from more experienced people.
thanks.
http://mistressangela.parkyourporno.com/

Free hosting is going to get you decline almost everywhere. If you're serious about this, shell out the $10 or so a month for a hosting account. That usually comes with an email address on your domain name.

Actually, just had a look at your "freesite", so doesn't matter, this one will get rejected anyway

Here's the thing, freesite doesn't equal "free site". A freesite in the adult webmastering world is a very specific format made of 4 pages that conform to some very specific rules. Anything else, and you won't get listed on linklists. You can do other stuff, and work on SE traffic.

Your page is a total mess to the eyes of an adult webmaster. Why on earth would you have a banner for a gay webcam service on a straight porn page?? Why a banner for this webmasters board? And what's with mixing up so many niches on this supposedly femdom fake TGP??

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but honestly, you can't just put up a web page and expect to make money. This business is much much more complicated. If you're interested in becoming an adult webmaster, prepare to go through a fairly steep learning curve. Take time to read read read on the boards and learn the basics first.