So One Of My Accounts Got Switched To Revshare...

[Jim]

Originally Posted by deleuze

Name the sponsor. Until these affiliate programs start raising payouts for affiliates that have a high trial to rebill percentage this is just another way in which sponsors have found to rip off webmasters.

You couldn't be more wrong with this statement.

[deleuze]

Originally Posted by Jim

You couldn't be more wrong with this statement.

Really? So I assume you would be OK if one day your insurance company said to you, "I'm sorry but this is the third time you've been in the hospital this year. I know we agreed to a contract where you would be covered if something happened to you but you're just no longer profitable to us. Have fun paying your bill." This is a numbers game - just because you don't have the proper equipment and skills to play does not justify cheating. I'm surprised you feel this way Jim because this is something that 2 or your former employers (CE and FlashCash) would never dare to do. The only programs doing this are ones that have a history of scamming affiliates in one way or another.

[GeorgeTH]

Originally Posted by deleuze

Really? So I assume you would be OK if one day your insurance company said to you, "I'm sorry but this is the third time you've been in the hospital this year. I know we agreed to a contract where you would be covered if something happened to you but you're just no longer profitable to us. ...

That's actually pretty much what insurances do! After each claim they can review your policy and refuse renewal!!

And as to sponsors: that has happened to me more than 4 years ago with Gamma Cash.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by deleuze

Really? So I assume you would be OK if one day your insurance company said to you, "I'm sorry but this is the third time you've been in the hospital this year. I know we agreed to a contract where you would be covered if something happened to you but you're just no longer profitable to us. Have fun paying your bill." This is a numbers game - just because you don't have the proper equipment and skills to play does not justify cheating. I'm surprised you feel this way Jim because this is something that 2 or your former employers (CE and FlashCash) would never dare to do. The only programs doing this are ones that have a history of scamming affiliates in one way or another.

Even if insurance companies did not drop people for too many claims, your analogy is still way off. The "contract" is just the start of it.

Do you really expect to make money when the program you are sending traffic to is losing money because of that traffic?

But, Greenie is right... You get switched to revshare because your traffic is not making enough to pay you for PPS. So, you will get paid less. I would move on.

But the biggest part that you are wrong about... "this is just another way in which sponsors have found to rip off webmasters." It's a way for the program to survive without ripping off webmasters.

[deleuze]

Originally Posted by Jim

But the biggest part that you are wrong about... "this is just another way in which sponsors have found to rip off webmasters." It's a way for the program to survive without ripping off webmasters.

Then explain to me why these programs don't increase payouts when the webmaster sends above average traffic. You may be right though as it might not be about ripping off their affiliates directly. Maybe they know they can only afford to pay $25/signup but they offer $35 knowing they can break even by dumping below average accounts. In other words it's sort of a revshare program in disguise. If your traffic isn't profitable, you get a "revshare" payout; however, if your traffic is profitable the amount you make is capped. Quite a brilliant idea - design a revshare program that caps payments so no one will be making more than $35/signup and call it a pps program. And you're telling me this isn't a form of cheap changing webmasters???

[Jim]

Originally Posted by deleuze

Then explain to me why these programs don't increase payouts when the webmaster sends above average traffic. You may be right though as it might not be about ripping off their affiliates directly. Maybe they know they can only afford to pay $25/signup but they offer $35 knowing they can break even by dumping below average accounts. In other words it's sort of a revshare program in disguise. If your traffic isn't profitable, you get a "revshare" payout; however, if your traffic is profitable the amount you make is capped. Quite a brilliant idea - design a revshare program that caps payments so no one will be making more than $35/signup and call it a pps program. And you're telling me this isn't a form of cheap changing webmasters???

So what you are saying is, you would rather see a program pay less to all webmasters to make up for what they lose on webmasters traffic that doesn't make money? If your traffic does recur well, you would make more with revshare. And it wouldn't be capped.

Don't get me wrong, I hate when a program does change a webmaster to revshare. And, I really hated telling webmasters and friends that their traffic was not really that good and we had to change their program structure.

[deleuze]

Originally Posted by Jim

So what you are saying is, you would rather see a program pay less to all webmasters to make up for what they lose on webmasters traffic that doesn't make money?

Yes, that's the whole point of PPS. Anyone who has valuable traffic knows this and that is why they prefer revshare.

[ecchi]

I prefer using revshare to pps, so this sort of thing does not affect me. But I would have thought that it is the site's responsibility to keep members. If they have to move people from PPS to revshare then this is a sign that their site is crap and they cannot get rebills. I can see no good reason to send traffic to a sponsor who cannot keep members.