U.S. Insists on Keeping Control of Web

ecchi · 2005-10-04, 05:44 PM

DJilla, first off wrt "I will willingly keep my mouth shut and go back to lurking": Don't do that, you have a right to your opinion. Even if I disagree with you, even if I think you are wrong, even if I am certain you are wrong; I'll still argue your right to have that opinion, and more importantly, your right to say and post those things (however I'll also argue for the same right to those who say and post the opposite).

WRT "France, Germany, et al, are they still countries? Aren't they called the EU now?": Yes they are all countries, with their own laws, the EU is just a sort of "grouping together" for financial reasons. For example, way back when it was started America was still the major financial power in the world, and if Germany or France objected to US tariffs or if Germany or France tried to put tariffs on America, America could simply say "Fuck You". But when all the European countries banded together they had enough clout to argue on equal terms with the US. And of course today, with America in the state it is in, the EU is now a lot more powerful than the US.

WRT:"A combined financial instrument called the Euro that has/had its promise but could fall into collapse at any moment (trust me its true) as a result of politics" The Euro is just a unit of money. The "Euro" owes no allegiance to any country, if it collapses it has no effect on anything whatsoever.

WRT: "Actually they imploded and ceased to exist as a nation! How funny was that?": Not at all funny when you realise that the US is in the first stages of doing exactly the same thing!

WRT: "Screw the rest of the world, we're the ones with the aircraft carriers": See my last point (and the point you were making that I was commenting on in my last point).

WRT: "Really? I can't tell! Looks like we're doing whatever the frick we want to to me!": I think you answer that point yourself when you say "If we ever slapped them with tariffs forcing open their markets they would choke", because you have not, because you cannot, because you owe them and you dare not.

Just one example: America is flooded with cheap imports from Asia at the moment. American companies are going broke because they cannot compete, and American citizens are living on state benefit because there are not enough jobs to go around, and you (the tax payer) are paying for this. In the EU, before a similar situation occurred, we slapped limits on the quantity of cheap Asian good that could come into Europe. You may have seen on the news recently that when China tried sending more goods than allowed to Britain they were stopped at customs and not allowed into the country (to be fair on China, I think the fault was with the British importers trying to sneak more than allowed into the country, but the result was the same). In the end China had to agree to send even less over in future to compensate for this. But in America you cannot do this, your government dares not do this, they cannot afford to risk upsetting their bankers.

And the frightening fact is that this is an ever declining loop. The more you import, the worse your economy gets, so the more you have to rely on outside loans, so the harder it is for Washington to impose tariffs or limitations, so you have to import even more, your economy gets even worse, your government requires even larger loans, they impose even less tariffs, etc.........

I am afraid you have to face it, if you are an American Asia owns your ass.

DJilla · 2005-10-05, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ecchi

I'll still argue your right to have that opinion, and more importantly, your right to say and post those things (however I'll also argue for the same right to those who say and post the opposite).
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Thanks for saying that! I am just one sarcastic SOB. Now for some other truths to soothe the feelings of the rest of the world here.

Honestly, the EU is the single greatest amalgamation of disparate peoples ever accomplished in human history, non-violently. A major, major human achievement. Though it is always in a delicate state of political infighting it is a striking move forward for nations that have never really gotton along that well and I'm all for it. I don't know if they're really ready to argue with the US yet, but their day will come and they are certainly trying hard enough. Example: unfortunately the EU has committed hundreds of billions of dollars toward building a duplicate and independent GPS space system (another nifty idea we built and offered the world for free) because they are uncomfortable with our ability to shut ours off at will. How this money could be used better for its member people is sort of obvious. All in all though I really admire the accomplishment called the EU.

Love Asians too! Have a niche site all for them alone. China is scary and they're about to suck every resource left on the planet and the BOMB (but only about two hundred of them... whew!)

Who can't adore those non-violent Aussies with those cute, cute, dingo dogs, kangaroos, and Nicole Kidman. Plus its the only continent likely to survive unscathed in a nuclear exchange. Dual citizenship anyone?

For my hosehead buddies up north, they laugh at all of us and with good reason they invented HYDRO and get it really, really, cheap (real hydro not hydroponics... WHAT! $3500 for how much!!!

)!

And for the Netherlands.... WOW! Sex, drugs, rock and roll AND everyone is cool with that, PLUS great skiing.

I am extremely guilty that we as Americans live on top of 90% of the rest of the planet. This is horrid. But, americans are truly great hearted and loving people... really we are. Its just the leaders are corrupt, degenerates. If it makes us guilty by proxy... I can't argue that. But, most of us are happy with a six pack, fishing pole, and good company.

If a final thought is in order its that the best thing about the web is that it opens us to the rest of the world and its people in a way that is hard for the spin miesters to control. Now if they can just get off their lazy asses and exchange the clicker for a keyboard things might get better quicker.

Think peace! Think EARTH! Think now!

2005-10-04, 05:44 PM	#1
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	DJilla, first off wrt "I will willingly keep my mouth shut and go back to lurking": Don't do that, you have a right to your opinion. Even if I disagree with you, even if I think you are wrong, even if I am certain you are wrong; I'll still argue your right to have that opinion, and more importantly, your right to say and post those things (however I'll also argue for the same right to those who say and post the opposite). WRT "France, Germany, et al, are they still countries? Aren't they called the EU now?": Yes they are all countries, with their own laws, the EU is just a sort of "grouping together" for financial reasons. For example, way back when it was started America was still the major financial power in the world, and if Germany or France objected to US tariffs or if Germany or France tried to put tariffs on America, America could simply say "Fuck You". But when all the European countries banded together they had enough clout to argue on equal terms with the US. And of course today, with America in the state it is in, the EU is now a lot more powerful than the US. WRT:"A combined financial instrument called the Euro that has/had its promise but could fall into collapse at any moment (trust me its true) as a result of politics" The Euro is just a unit of money. The "Euro" owes no allegiance to any country, if it collapses it has no effect on anything whatsoever. WRT: "Actually they imploded and ceased to exist as a nation! How funny was that?": Not at all funny when you realise that the US is in the first stages of doing exactly the same thing! WRT: "Screw the rest of the world, we're the ones with the aircraft carriers": See my last point (and the point you were making that I was commenting on in my last point). WRT: "Really? I can't tell! Looks like we're doing whatever the frick we want to to me!": I think you answer that point yourself when you say "If we ever slapped them with tariffs forcing open their markets they would choke", because you have not, because you cannot, because you owe them and you dare not. Just one example: America is flooded with cheap imports from Asia at the moment. American companies are going broke because they cannot compete, and American citizens are living on state benefit because there are not enough jobs to go around, and you (the tax payer) are paying for this. In the EU, before a similar situation occurred, we slapped limits on the quantity of cheap Asian good that could come into Europe. You may have seen on the news recently that when China tried sending more goods than allowed to Britain they were stopped at customs and not allowed into the country (to be fair on China, I think the fault was with the British importers trying to sneak more than allowed into the country, but the result was the same). In the end China had to agree to send even less over in future to compensate for this. But in America you cannot do this, your government dares not do this, they cannot afford to risk upsetting their bankers. And the frightening fact is that this is an ever declining loop. The more you import, the worse your economy gets, so the more you have to rely on outside loans, so the harder it is for Washington to impose tariffs or limitations, so you have to import even more, your economy gets even worse, your government requires even larger loans, they impose even less tariffs, etc......... I am afraid you have to face it, if you are an American Asia owns your ass.