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[Hammer]

There's nothing irresposible about running a porn site that does not outwardly condone the use of condoms, but I do think it's irresponsible to to actually promote the non-use of condoms and there's a big difference.

It's no different than advertising for cars where they show the drivers going very fast on winding roads because they are trying to excite someone into buying the car. They are not condoning speeding or showing the speedometer at 120mph but they are definitely showing the car doing things that most drivers can't do or shouldn't do because they would be unlawful. It's called effective advertising.

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Hammer

There's nothing irresposible about running a porn site that does not outwardly condone the use of condoms, but I do think it's irresponsible to to actually promote the non-use of condoms and there's a big difference.

I've never said that all adult sites need to devote lots of space to openly advocating safer sex. I simply see having condoms in porn as a wonderful and easy positive statement in itself, far more effective than having a drab text-only page about how Company X supports condom use.

Out of curiousity, where do you draw the line between "promoting the non-use of condoms" and just featuring content that doesn't use condoms?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Out of curiousity, where do you draw the line between "promoting the non-use of condoms" and just featuring content that doesn't use condoms?

I don't care if the content depicts condom use or not, because like I said, I don't see it as my place as a pornographer to promote safe sex. That's up to schools, condom manufacturers, doctors and public service organizations. I am selling fantasies not reality. If I show two people having sex on a website, it is my assumption that they were both tested and are mature adults and know what they are doing. They could be married for all I know, and if they are, making them use condoms for a photo shoot just to make a point seems ridiculous to me.

If someone is old enough to use a credit card and pay to view porn, they are also old enough to have a brain and some common sense. If you think that showing them images of people using condoms is going to make them use condoms, but stories about people dying from AIDS isn't, then I think you are naive and they're idiots.

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I don't care if the content depicts condom use or not, because like I said, I don't see it as my place as a pornographer to promote safe sex. That's up to schools, condom manufacturers, doctors and public service organizations.

Safer sex education is not happening in schools or public service organizations. The government does not fund anything that teaches anything other than "abstinence-only". If you're counting on the government to teach people about condoms and birth control and STIs, you've not been paying attention to the news from the last few years. Ideally, it would be great if there were trained sex education professionals that has actual medical experience that went around to schools and gave accurate and realistic information to young people about sex. However, even at the *best of times*, (I got sex ed in school with Clinton in office), the people teaching the material were the old sewing/home-ec ladies who could barely say penis without turning beet red, and surely weren't going to be able to tell me what my risks for contracting Hep C from giving a blow job, or how an abortion is performed if I chose to terminate a pregnancy.

I am selling fantasies not reality.

By that logic, would you promote an erotica site that specializes in stories about raping children? I mean, that's "just a fantasy", right? Again, it's just a cop-out: "I'm selling fantasies, I'm here to make money". So is everyone here, but that doesn't mean we should cast off any sense of ethics in the name of making a quick buck.

If someone is old enough to use a credit card and pay to view porn, they are also old enough to have a brain and some common sense.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If turning 18 magically gifts people with "common sense", then how come the news is filled with adults who do ignorant/malicious things? From the Bush administration to a local rapist to Darwin Award winners to the girls who takes *a* birth control pill every time they has sex, adults make mistakes constantly. Turning 18 means nothing, especially when their previous years were filled with purposeful misinformation about sexuality.

If you think that showing them images of people using condoms is going to make them use condoms, but stories about people dying from AIDS isn't, then I think you are naive and they're idiots.

I'm naive? If your argument held any water at all, it would mean that every person who is aware of deadly STIs would always practice safe sex, otherwise they're "idiots". Here's something I just Googled from the AMA site: "More than 60 million Americans are currently infected with an STD, and about 19 million new cases occur every year." Do you think that *none* of those 60 million people has ever heard of STIs, or were under 18, and therefor, had not yet gained "common sense"?

Keep sticking your head in the sand, maybe one of these days your own daughter will come home with a bun in the oven and syphilis because her boyfriend thought condoms are unsexy and she learned in school that they don't work anyhow.

I believe that we smut-peddlers have a responsibility to our viewers. Many pornographers have the mentality of criminals, in that they advocate doing whatever it takes to make money, and then they're shocked that the government treats us as criminals.

People in our profession need to realize that we do influence people with what we *tacitly* advocate on our sites. We may not be telling people how to have sex in big blazing text, but porn does weigh on what millions of people think of as "sexy" and "desirable".

I don't see how you can deny that people are influenced by the things they see around them: be it porn, movies, music, nature, family, or whatever. If it's not through what they read, experience, or watch, then how do *you* think people make up their minds about things? You could probably win the Nobel Prize if you find a way to refute everything that has been established in the fields of psychology and sociology, so please, let me in on your insights into the human mind.


The "sexual problems" in our world are too multifaceted to boil down to saying that the "solution" is using condoms in porn. I'm not saying that at all. I believe that porn does a great deal of good when it comes to getting people off and having fun, being an outlet for people who can't otherwise express their sexualities, making people see that others share their kinks, and igniting more personal passion or passion in relationships. I'm not the anti-porn crusader that you try to peg me as, but I feel like our industry does have problems that should be discussed and critiqued from within the industry. Porn can be better, it can make us money, it can provide people with awesome entertainment, and it is entirely possible to do so in a socially responsible way without that much more effort.