how to get a good start with a new program

[Greenguy]

Maybe I did jump the gun on moving this to the spam forum, but it does read as if it could very well be a clever spam post

1st you have to find people to beta test it - do this in private by asking your friends to try the program out. Send some of your own traffic at it as well.

Then if the numbers are decent, look into buying ads on webmaster board & magazines, send out press releases, etc.

[nickcage49]

Clever marketing Greenguy!

[hollywood376]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Maybe I did jump the gun on moving this to the spam forum, but it does read as if it could very well be a clever spam post

1st you have to find people to beta test it - do this in private by asking your friends to try the program out. Send some of your own traffic at it as well.

Then if the numbers are decent, look into buying ads on webmaster board & magazines, send out press releases, etc.

I can see how this might seem like spam, however I really am looking for an answer! ( I only posted the link so that people could see what I have to work with. ) As for numbers being decent, I wouldn't know what decent numbers are! What numbers should I be looking for? and what is that number based on, first page uniques/sales, join page/sales, raw etc.?

Unfortunately, I don't have any friends who are in this business. I am relatively new and don't have many connections. I also don't have "my own traffic". Other than to submit to tgp's, etc. I don't have any traffic that I move. If there is anyone here who thinks that they may want to try it out, let me know and I'll give you the address.

[GenXer]

Originally Posted by hollywood376

I can see how this might seem like spam, however I really am looking for an answer! ( I only posted the link so that people could see what I have to work with. ) As for numbers being decent, I wouldn't know what decent numbers are! What numbers should I be looking for? and what is that number based on, first page uniques/sales, join page/sales, raw etc.?

Unfortunately, I don't have any friends who are in this business. I am relatively new and don't have many connections. I also don't have "my own traffic". Other than to submit to tgp's, etc. I don't have any traffic that I move. If there is anyone here who thinks that they may want to try it out, let me know and I'll give you the address.

You REALLY need to post the links to the paysites that webmasters and others will be promoting. I went to your affiliate program, and it all sounds okay, but no one is going to sign up unless we see what we are going to be promoting. There is details about the revshare and the nats and etc, but not much info about the websites. Also, do you plan on giving webmaster access to the members area to get fresh content. etc etc things like that :-). You should think about getting some affiliate support and ....here's a good one

You should buy an advertising spot here on Greenguy and Jim .

[hollywood376]

Originally Posted by GenXer

You REALLY need to post the links to the paysites that webmasters and others will be promoting. I went to your affiliate program, and it all sounds okay, but no one is going to sign up unless we see what we are going to be promoting. There is details about the revshare and the nats and etc, but not much info about the websites. Also, do you plan on giving webmaster access to the members area to get fresh content. etc etc things like that :-). You should think about getting some affiliate support and ....here's a good one

You should buy an advertising spot here on Greenguy and Jim .

Hmmm. I don't understand ... If you went to my program, the first link on every page is a button that says "site portfolio" which has links to the websites. As for access to members area for content, the answer is yes (with some limitations).

[ecchi]

OK, this is my 2c, but be aware it is how I look at new sponsors, other people may disagree. Also please don't take offence at anything I say. I am talking about how I view a site when I come across it as a possible new sponsor, so please don't assume I am accusing you of anything here.

1. You promote 2 solo girl sites. Why are these any better that all the others? If you want me to promote your site you will have to convince me that your sign up ratio or member retention is better than others. And don't just quote figures, give reasons (eg. our members stay longer because after 6 months they get sent a genuine signed photo).

2. Up to 65% payout, plus 5% for referral of webmaster. Considering you are new I guess you are paying about 15% CC processing, that leaves you 15% of the sale price to cover bandwidth, new content, etc. No offence intended to you, but when I come across sites like that I automatically assume they will either be out of business within a few months or will have to start shaving.

3. Free hosted galleries are good, but I need to have a page on your site where I can collect the link codes and decide what I want to use. Having them submitted is no good because: (A) Most of the sites I use FHGs on are 'fake' TGPs with sponsors galleries and link exchanges, no submit form. (B) Sites I have with submit forms automatically check for recips. As your galleries will obviously not meet this requirement, my script will automatically trash them. (C) It looks really amateurish doing it this way. If you got time to submit to all your affiliates sites then you don't got many customers, and if you don't got many customers I would assume you won't convert well for me.

4. Really need to know more about your content. How much do you have, how often is it updated, etc. I believe this is even more important to people who specialise in solo girl sites than it is to me. I was talking to someone (I think on this board, but it might have been elsewhere) who said that he needed plenty of fresh new content all the time to push the girls on TGP posts.

[hollywood376]

Originally Posted by ecchi

OK, this is my 2c, but be aware it is how I look at new sponsors, other people may disagree. Also please don't take offence at anything I say. I am talking about how I view a site when I come across it as a possible new sponsor, so please don't assume I am accusing you of anything here.

1. You promote 2 solo girl sites. Why are these any better that all the others? If you want me to promote your site you will have to convince me that your sign up ratio or member retention is better than others. And don't just quote figures, give reasons (eg. our members stay longer because after 6 months they get sent a genuine signed photo).

2. Up to 65% payout, plus 5% for referral of webmaster. Considering you are new I guess you are paying about 15% CC processing, that leaves you 15% of the sale price to cover bandwidth, new content, etc. No offence intended to you, but when I come across sites like that I automatically assume they will either be out of business within a few months or will have to start shaving.

3. Free hosted galleries are good, but I need to have a page on your site where I can collect the link codes and decide what I want to use. Having them submitted is no good because: (A) Most of the sites I use FHGs on are 'fake' TGPs with sponsors galleries and link exchanges, no submit form. (B) Sites I have with submit forms automatically check for recips. As your galleries will obviously not meet this requirement, my script will automatically trash them. (C) It looks really amateurish doing it this way. If you got time to submit to all your affiliates sites then you don't got many customers, and if you don't got many customers I would assume you won't convert well for me.

4. Really need to know more about your content. How much do you have, how often is it updated, etc. I believe this is even more important to people who specialise in solo girl sites than it is to me. I was talking to someone (I think on this board, but it might have been elsewhere) who said that he needed plenty of fresh new content all the time to push the girls on TGP posts.

I certainly don't take offense at anything someone says. This is business, not personal. Now, let me see if I can answer some of your questions/comments:

1.) Why are my solo girls sites better than other solo girls sites? Well, to be quite frank with you, they probably aren't. There are, I'm sure, sites that are better and sites that are not. Making a claim to be the best would just be foolish. As the sites are just as new as the program, I can only tell you what is offered and why membership retention should be good. The sites are updated at least once per week with at least one picture set or video. That does not include live web shows, which should also make a difference in the retention. Plus, a member to the site gets free membership to both sites, or any sites that are added later.

2.) The payout percentage is tiered. It has a base percentage of 50, which climbs to 65 as the number of sales increases. Everything in business is a matter of cost. If I only have to pay one person for 25 sales, then I only have to pay the labor for my accounting to write one check. That's much less work than writing 25 checks for 25 people who made 1 sale. I'm well aware of my margins and how much I need to make from a sale to be profitable. While I would much rather pay you 4% for each sale, I doubt you will send a single click my way for that. As to shaving, I always leave this offer open to anyone: Come to my office, log in to my stats and see for yourself. There is no need for it. If a reasonable and fair profit cant be made from a transaction, then there is no need to stay in business. I think there is a general feeling that every one in the adult business is shady and that it is just expected that "everyone shaves" who has a program. I know it's not true, because there is at least one that will never do it. Additionally, I have more sites in the works, and for each one that is added my costs decrease. For each new product, I don't have new office costs, supply costs, computer and equipment costs, etc.

3.) Inside the program you can generate the links for every gallery etc and choose what you want. The service for submitting galleries for those who ask is supplied as just that, a service. When the demands of my staff out weigh their ability, the service won't be offered to anyone new. As to not having a lot of customers affecting your conversions, I would think that the opposite of what you are saying is true: The more customers I have, the more likely you are to be competing with them for conversions?? Maybe I missed something there.

4.) I have quite a bit more content for one site than the other. I know that I have enough photo content to update one site for at least a year, updating once per week. And I am supplied with at least two photo sets/videos every week, so for every week I am online my capacity increases by two weeks.

I understand anyones reluctance to try a new program, and that is why I am asking these questions. One thing is certain, without good affiliates the websites will be doomed to fail, and I don't want to see that happen. With some affiliates that are willing to give me a try and offer their views on how to improve, I think we could have a successful program. I can tell you that we are dedicated to making it the best that we can, which means improving at all phases, now and in the future.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by hollywood376

1.) Why are my solo girls sites better than other solo girls sites? Well, to be quite frank with you, they probably aren't. There are, I'm sure, sites that are better and sites that are not. Making a claim to be the best would just be foolish.

Very well said. Any sponsor with a solo girl site could say that his girl is the hottest and we'd all sit here thinking "yeah, right". It's a matter taste.

I like honesty. Save the marketing text for the surfers. They're the ones who have to fall in love with her.

[orange]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I wonder if orange
has checked out our new and improved
Adult Webmaster Sponsor & Affiliate Programs

Of course I did!