The Gop is gonna steal the nov elections again

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tommy

he didnt cause north korea to fire those missles

hes not to blame for this bullshit coming out of iran

hes not really to blame for high gas prices

the border problem has been here for a long time way before bush

I never could understand how America can dictate who has nuclear weapons and who doesn't. It seems to me that the last people with that power should be the people that have used them in the past.

Clinton talked to North Korea and had a deal in place. Bush ignored North Korea and probably just hoped they would go away. Bush has also been bribing Iran to not make nuclear weapons and North Korea just wants the same considerations. Bush has proved if you stomp your feet and throw a fit, he will bribe you to stop. While he may not have caused the foot stomping, he could have stopped it if he only talked to them.

As for Iran, you said it yourself in the title of this thread and your first post. Did we just discover that Iran was going nuclear? Or, have we known about it for many years?

High gas prices are not really a problem. We pay less for a gallon or liter of gas than almost any other country in the world. Even at $3/gallon, it's still some of the cheapest liquid we can buy. How much is a pint sized bottle of water these days? And, at $3/gallon, gas prices are still lower than the inflation rate since you might say, gas was cheap. If you follow the inflation rate from 1969 when gas was $.34/gallon until today, we should be paying over $6/gallon.

And again, there is only a border problem if you make one up. A lot of illegal immigrants come to the US and pay taxes. A lot don't pay taxes but still, a lot do. What happens to the refunds or Social Security taxes? These immigrants can't very well ask for a refund. This came out Wednesday. "The economy of the country's largest city and the entire nation would collapse if illegal immigrants were deported en masse, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told a Senate committee hearing Wednesday."
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/...ap2859726.html

Again, you answered everything you just wrote in your first post. It's all Republican Politics and you do have to look at the party leader for the cause.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Jim

A lot of illegal immigrants come to the US and pay taxes.

(Not arguing the point, genuinely asking for clarification.) How do illegal immigrants pay taxes? You need a tax id number to do that, and you cannot get one if you are there illegally.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by ecchi

(Not arguing the point, genuinely asking for clarification.) How do illegal immigrants pay taxes? You need a tax id number to do that, and you cannot get one if you are there illegally.

Actually it's estimated that 30% of illegals pay taxes. It's estimated that 70% of business that hire illegals do NOT pay taxes. Just nother reason why it's so profitable.

Imagine how much money the IRS could get if they went after this money. Of course they've decided to go after the smaller business instead.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Actually it's estimated that 30% of illegals pay taxes. It's estimated that 70% of business that hire illegals do NOT pay taxes. Just nother reason why it's so profitable.

Imagine how much money the IRS could get if they went after this money. Of course they've decided to go after the smaller business instead.

Imagine how much the IRS gets from the 30% that pay taxes There are millions of illegal imigrants working in the country now. That is a shitload of money going unclaimed.

I just like to consider it rent for working in the US.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by ecchi

(Not arguing the point, genuinely asking for clarification.) How do illegal immigrants pay taxes? You need a tax id number to do that, and you cannot get one if you are there illegally.

Fake tax ids. A lot of employers genuinely don't know they are hiring illegals. Sooner or later, it catches up with the employer but only for submitting inaccurate TINs. They are fined about $20 per TIN. I know that's what I was fined for submitting inaccurate TINs