Retire the 800 Table Rule

[DaveE]

Ok thanks to everybody so far. You have all made some excellent points and arguments.

I still think my strongest argument is the quality one.
I guess I want more resolution for my designs, and I am going to fight for that right. I can't believe anybody thinks 800 looks nicer than 1000

I feel 1000 wide will increase my sales and by the sounds of it will not restrict acceptance of my new free sites to the majority of link sites. And I believe if we all start doing this then the last few link sites will change their rules to match the demand for more detail.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by DaveE

Ok thanks to everybody so far. You have all made some excellent points and arguments.

I still think my strongest argument is the quality one.
I guess I want more resolution for my designs, and I am going to fight for that right. I can't believe anybody thinks 800 looks nicer than 1000

I feel 1000 wide will increase my sales and by the sounds of it will not restrict acceptance of my new free sites to the majority of link sites. And I believe if we all start doing this then the last few link sites will change their rules to match the demand for more detail.

Wow Dave...to be blunt, that's probably not the best attitude to get people to work with you. As has been said many times, wide does not necessarily mean quality...any more than 800 wide means crappy.

As mentioned previously, I'm not ready to force 15% of my surfers to any appreciable side scroll just yet. I'd rather cater to 90%+ of my market, than 75%.

But of course, it's your call...just like it's a reviewers call whether or not they list your 1000 pixel wide sites. Guess only time will tell...but I for one will not be 'forced' into anything

[DaveE]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Wow Dave...to be blunt, that's probably not the best attitude to get people to work with you. As has been said many times, wide does not necessarily mean quality...any more than 800 wide means crappy.

As mentioned previously, I'm not ready to force 15% of my surfers to any appreciable side scroll just yet. I'd rather cater to 90%+ of my market, than 75%.

But of course, it's your call...just like it's a reviewers call whether or not they list your 1000 pixel wide sites. Guess only time will tell...but I for one will not be 'forced' into anything

Attitude,

I thought you said a small side scoll was ok. what does that mean ? 801 I misunderstood you is all. I never said 800 was crappy just 1000 allows for higher quality. Seems to me you have the attitude here more than me. My comments were in no way bad attitude they were well thought out and humorous. But maybe my humour was a little too dry,

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by DaveE

Attitude,

I thought you said a small side scoll was ok. what does that mean ? 801 I misunderstood you is all. I never said 800 was crappy just 1000 allows for higher quality. Seems to me you have the attitude here more than me. My comments were in no way bad attitude they were well thought out and humorous. But maybe my humour was a little too dry,

Indeed...and I stand by that...a 'little' side scroll will slide by, provided other standards are met. However, a 25% increase is not a 'little' side scroll...any more than 15% is a 'little' number of customers.

That said, and I alluded to this in Greenies thread regarding his new rules. This is by NO means saying I insist on being on pages with LOR. However, if a site is built for Greenies new standards and has his recip on it...I'll most likely ignore the side scroll issue.

We'll simply agree to disagree on the quality issue, as I see great quality sites every day built to 800 wide. And we'll also agree to disagree on the attitudes...I must have missed the humor in the tone of your post. If it was there, I missed it...no harm...no foul.

[virgohippy]

Wait a minute... MrYum had an attitude? |shocking|

I always thought Yum was so busy being a nice guy and getting laid he didn't have the energy to pretend mean!

[iMan]

I have to say that having to fit pages within 800 have been a little annoying to me. Since I work in 2560x1600 normally, 800 seems tiny...
so I was happy that Greenie decided to change this and I hope that more will do the same.

And hey, when those 16% surfers will have to scroll sideways all day long to see some titties, maybe they'll get a clue and upgrade their stuff.
I mean, porn is usually drives people to by new technology anyway, right

[johnnybg]

Originally Posted by iMan

And hey, when those 16% surfers will have to scroll sideways all day long to see some titties, maybe they'll get a clue and upgrade their stuff.
I mean, porn is usually drives people to by new technology anyway, right

Well, while it's nice to educate surfers about the quality of their equipment, I somehow don't think that they'll rush into the store to buy bigger screens for your sites.

What will happen, though, is that they'll click little "X" button on your site and go buy porn on other free site.

[DaveE]

Originally Posted by MrYum

We'll simply agree to disagree on the quality issue, as I see great quality sites every day built to 800 wide. And we'll also agree to disagree on the attitudes...I must have missed the humor in the tone of your post. If it was there, I missed it...no harm...no foul.

I checked out your site in all resolutions up to 1280.
Looks great. Are you sure you'r not bigger than 800

I guess just coz I'm when I write something it does not always come across in text. After reading everything posted, some by people I know and respect I have conceded and my new table size for the new sites will be fixed at 750 I don't feel like wrapping my head aound auto resizing.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by DaveE

I checked out your site in all resolutions up to 1280.
Looks great. Are you sure you'r not bigger than 800

I guess just coz I'm when I write something it does not always come across in text. After reading everything posted, some by people I know and respect I have conceded and my new table size for the new sites will be fixed at 750 I don't feel like wrapping my head aound auto resizing.

Thanks...the site was designed for 800, but keeping it looking acceptable at wider res was also a priority.

Very true, sometimes things do get lost in the written word...no worries here

The time will come for wider free sites, some say it has already arrived. Myself, I think it will be here within a year at the outside...though I could be wrong...it's happened before

[Jeremy]

Originally Posted by DaveE

I still think my strongest argument is the quality one..... I can't believe anybody thinks 800 looks nicer than 1000

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, Dave :-))

I personally think that if a person can't make a site look decent at 800 (because there's very little actual "content" on a typical free site), then increasing it to 1024 (or 1000) may just have the effect of spreading the rubbish around and about the screen a little more.

That said, show us one of your "nicer" 1000 wide designs :-)

[DaveE]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, Dave :-))

I personally think that if a person can't make a site look decent at 800 (because there's very little actual "content" on a typical free site), then increasing it to 1024 (or 1000) may just have the effect of spreading the rubbish around and about the screen a little more.

That said, show us one of your "nicer" 1000 wide designs :-)

As soon as I make my first one you will see it.
I plan on making 100 free sites but I wanted to establish what width they should be first. When I make them it will be a large task so I wanted to make something that would look good for the future as much as now.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by DaveE

I feel 1000 wide will increase my sales and by the sounds of it will not restrict acceptance of my new free sites to the majority of link sites. And I believe if we all start doing this then the last few link sites will change their rules to match the demand for more detail.

The problem is people tend to focus on what amounts to minutia. Let me give you an example...Awhile back someone complained viciously about TGP rules (I've also seen the same about LL rules) and since I happen to review for a few TGPs, I was familiar with their galleries. They ranted about minutia little rules instead of the fact that they just didn't know how to build an effective gallery. Their thumbs sucked, their design sucked, their sales pitch sucked, and they were using overused content. Basically it comes down to, don't blame the dressing when it's the salad.

Now, I'm not saying you're this type of person, and I'm sure you do great designs, but from personal experience it's always been simple clean designs that focus in on the content that makes me the most sales. 800px or 1000px...if you're not making sales at 800px the extra 200px ain't gonna help you any.

Also, it's the factor of working in the system and not working outside the system. Rules will change as the time changes, but instead of butting your head against a brick wall it's just better to perfect your designs for what's most widely accepted by all LL, etc.