Question for other link list owners

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Do any of them still pop the new window? Move the content to their domains?

I haven't thought about AVS in a LONG time & I really doubt that I'd go back to listing them anyway

If they use pop ups it's the wm's option, I don't use them, as far as moving the content to their domains I've never seen that. Most of them have freehosts, but I don't use them anymore.

[SheepGuy]

Actually Linkster, have a look at this one
http://www.findavagina.com/seduction/
I just put it up a couple of days ago and it shouldn't have an FPA, hate to admit it, but I don't have a password to check.

[dareutwo]

Just too many things that are out of your control.
I rate AVS about the same as free hosts.

Not saying they don't/can't/may make money, just that I won't list them.

[Linkster]

SheepGuy - I just went and checked a few of mine - the page Im talking about is the "middle page participation" - when that is turned OFF you still get a FPA page with a bunch of ads for live girls (I think I counted 20 of them) and a link to the site that you list - then when you click on the avs site link it pops in a new window and leaves that live girls page open
When you do it with the middle page ON - then it does the live girls page FPA twice

[Linkster]

Sheepguy - yes yours does have the FPA - heres what it looks like:
When you first enter your password
Then
It pops the site in a new window and leaves the FPA there:
Seen Here

[SheepGuy]

Thanks for that Linkster, looks like I won't be putting up any more CyberAge sites. I have a password for Netverifier and they don't have a pop up or an FPA so I'll be putting my new stuff there.

[Useless]

I'm going to sound retarded now, but we all know that that doesn't bother me.

I was born after most link lists had canned their AVS listings, but have seen the old AVS rules on a few submission pages. I never quite understood why the reviewer would require a user/pass for an AVS site. Wouldn't that be akin to asking for a password to a paysite being promoted by a free site? Also, would AVS sites perform better (sales wise) if there were some clickable samples on them?

I know there a few people who submit free sites which promote their own mega-AVS sites since it's difficult to get the AVS site itself listed anywhere. Does this approach seem to work well (if anyone is willing to fess up)?

One more question to those of you who build AVS sites. Do you make more money selling the AVS itself or through upsells to a premium AVS membership - or even a standard sponsor being promoted on the site? I'd fully understand if you didnt want to answer my $$$ questions.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm going to sound retarded now, but we all know that that doesn't bother me.

I was born after most link lists had canned their AVS listings, but have seen the old AVS rules on a few submission pages. I never quite understood why the reviewer would require a user/pass for an AVS site. Wouldn't that be akin to asking for a password to a paysite being promoted by a free site? Also, would AVS sites perform better (sales wise) if there were some clickable samples on them?

I know there a few people who submit free sites which promote their own mega-AVS sites since it's difficult to get the AVS site itself listed anywhere. Does this approach seem to work well (if anyone is willing to fess up)?

One more question to those of you who build AVS sites. Do you make more money selling the AVS itself or through upsells to a premium AVS membership - or even a standard sponsor being promoted on the site? I'd fully understand if you didnt want to answer my $$$ questions.

It's not that difficult to get an AVS site listed, there is a list of LL's that take them in my sig and I submit to most of them. I don't use clickable samples, though I suppose I could, I just use 3 or 5 roughly half sized pics on the outside to tease surfers with an idea of what's inside. I also give a good description of the kind of content they'll get from the AVS itself.
For the $$$ questions I usually make more from the AVS on premium sites which are recurring, and more from sponsors on the smaller sites which aren't recurring.
Like any biz it has its quirks, but since so many good wm's were burned in the past by Adultcheck a lot have left the AVS end of the biz and it is no longer saturated.
There is good money there, I don't even do free sites anymore.

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I know there a few people who submit free sites which promote their own mega-AVS sites since it's difficult to get the AVS site itself listed anywhere. Does this approach seem to work well (if anyone is willing to fess up)?

I do well on my AVS sites, I'm one of those that builds free site feeders to my AVS sites. I also pick niches though that there isn't paysites to promote. It works to upsell to an AVS site, just like it does to a paysite, but my conversions are better.

I use NetVerifier too, I just looked, it does have a middle page ad though. but it has a big arrow pointing to the name of my site at the top, and only three pics below that for adult friend finder. I turn off the trials (so no popup if they don't sign up) and I submit to a few link lists. But mainly I promote them with free sites.

Sheepguy, all the LL in my sig take avs sites.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by RedCherry

Sheepguy, all the LL in my sig take avs sites.

Great!
I'll start submitting some, feel free to submit to my list as well
I've added your sites to my submit page in my sig. Don't need a link back on them, it's more of a service for those looking to submit AVS sites.
I'm sending you a PM shortly.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

If they use pop ups it's the wm's option, I don't use them, as far as moving the content to their domains I've never seen that. Most of them have freehosts, but I don't use them anymore.

I remember what it was - they'd pop that FPA in a new window & the page was hosted on their domain, which instantly broke 3 rules at once (FPA's, new windows, everything on same domain)

One dumb move & they get the trifecta