Question for other link list owners

[ladydesigner]

Originally Posted by ronnie

I personally left the AVs side because the link list traffic pretty much dried up, and as mentioned saturation. Plus AC was a pretty good source. Not to mention I got tired of making them..

ronnie

Same here ronnie. I literally at one time had almost 700 AC Gold sites but one day the link list traffic stopped coming my way and AC closed up shop leaving a lot of us burnt and broke. I wouldn't mind listing avs sites on my LL but there just seems to be too many variables these days. I don't have any passes to check like Linkster did for the fpa's and popups so I just wouldn't be comfortable listing them at this time. I'll have to think on this some more...

[Carrie]

Originally Posted by ladydesigner

I don't have any passes to check like Linkster did for the fpa's and popups so I just wouldn't be comfortable listing them at this time.

What most LL owners used to do was ask for either a backdoor url (a link straight to the page the surfer landed on once he put in his user/pass) or a user/pass login in the comments section of the submission form. So you don't need your own pass, just use the one the wm gives you.

As for the avs popping up a full-page ad between the login and the site, I don't see why that should matter to a LL owner.
- If the surfer already has a pass for that avs, then he's already used to hopping past that page. Also, once he logs in with his username and password, he's in the avs system, not your system. Do you also not allow sponsors who pop something like an "updates of the day" window once the surfer has signed in with his username and pass? Same thing.
- If the surfer does *not* have a pass for that avs, then he'll click through to the signup form and go through that process. So again, he's in the avs system, not your system. Same thing as any sponsor tour with a signup form. Once the surfer has gone to the sponsor and put in their CC details, it's no longer your concern what the sponsor shows them...

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Carrie

What most LL owners used to do was ask for ... or a user/pass login in the comments section of the submission form. So you don't need your own pass, just use the one the wm gives you....

I do remember at least one AVS program where the un/pw that the webmaster had for accessing sites in the system was also their affiliate un/pw, so they obviously could not give that info out to the LL owner.

[Useless]

Sheepguy - I'm working on a little morphed link list project which would list AVS sites and I've got a few questions, if you don't mind. What should a reviewer look for on an AVS site? Are there AVS systems which you think should be avoided/banned? What's the primary reason AVS sites get rejected at link lists which do list AVS sites?

Thanks- UW

[LowryBigwood]

Hey SheepGuy.

As you already know, I will take AVS sites on my LL as long as I know the person from this board and have trust in them. I don't really know enough about AVS to know all the tricks involved, but I do know the traffic has been proven to be card carriers?

By the way, I'm still looking for that article you mentioned posting here on AVS. When and if you do post that article, lemme know.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Hey SheepGuy.

As you already know, I will take AVS sites on my LL as long as I know the person from this board and have trust in them. I don't really know enough about AVS to know all the tricks involved, but I do know the traffic has been proven to be card carriers?

By the way, I'm still looking for that article you mentioned posting here on AVS. When and if you do post that article, lemme know.

All of the traffic inside the protected areas is card carrying, some of the traffic outside comes from LL's and SE's which is why the advertising converts better on the inside, though it gets less hits.
I'll likely write that article tonight since a couple of folks on this board have asked me to.
I won't mention all of the tricks, but most of them

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Sheepguy - I'm working on a little morphed link list project which would list AVS sites and I've got a few questions, if you don't mind. What should a reviewer look for on an AVS site? Are there AVS systems which you think should be avoided/banned? What's the primary reason AVS sites get rejected at link lists which do list AVS sites?

Thanks- UW

If anyone else with some expertise in the AVS arena can give me some input, feel free. I didn't mean to make it sound as if I'm ONLY looking for Sheepguy's advice.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Sheepguy - I'm working on a little morphed link list project which would list AVS sites and I've got a few questions, if you don't mind. What should a reviewer look for on an AVS site? Are there AVS systems which you think should be avoided/banned? What's the primary reason AVS sites get rejected at link lists which do list AVS sites?

Thanks- UW

The usual free site rules work well, 3 outgoing links per page, no blind links, pop-ups, that sort of stuff. Don't look for a standard frormat though, some sites just have 1 frontpage with the signup script at the bottom, some have up to 10 or more pages before the script. Most of mine anyways, don't have a standard type warning page, but some do. I ask for one or two pics to give the surfer an idea of what's inside before the signup script, but I make exceptions depending on the site.
For the content pages you might want to make a rule requiring at least 50 pics or so many minutes of video, stories or such. I don't have that rule but most AVS sites need at least 50 pics to get by the AVS reviewer anyways.

For reasons sites get turned down it's pretty much the same as with freesites as well. Generally if the AVS reviewer has passed it there are no problems, though some allow a lot more exit links than freesites do, or allow blind links that are sort of iffy. A lot of people use iframes for cam sites inside and outside of the protected areas, some free site LL's might not be cool with that but I am because I use them I've never been turned down for using them by any of the LL's I submit to, which is only about 40 or so.

The only AVS I won't list is AdultCheck, but that's just because they fucked everyone over a few years back and I refuse to do them any favours. There are AVS's I don't deal with, but that's just because they don't sell well for me or I haven't tried them yet. There are also a few gay AVS's and I have no experience with them. Adultcheck is the only one I'd ban, but you don't see them around much anyways because most LL's have banned them.