Are These New Piece Of Shit Options Now Standard In NATS?

[Greenguy]

Just an odd thing that I came across going thru my stats today: Reality Sites uses NATS. There is no cascade billing, as they only use CCBill. And, they still have CCBill send the money to affiliates.

I really hope they are eating the cost of NATS instead of passing it along to us, as they don't seem to really need it.

[Greenguy]

Another very confusing option that is being used by Teen Dolls (AlyssaDoll & EmilyDoll) I go in to grab my all time stats & see that I'm averaging a whopping $2.01/member with the trial option. Then I look below:
Rebill & Credit counts will be shown soon. Your payout currently reflects all rebills & credits

I'm not sure if I'm mad at NATS for putting this option in there or at TeenDolls for confusing the fuck out of me

[PBucksJohn]

Just wanted to let everyone know I haven't disappeared. I had plans last night and again tonight. I will be answering everyone in detail tomorrow as I will not be back until late tonight.

Greenie; We're based in NJ, not too far from you

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Buckskin

Just wanted to let everyone know I haven't disappeared. I had plans last night and again tonight. I will be answering everyone in detail tomorrow as I will not be back until late tonight....

That's good, because as soon as I saw you had posted in here tonight, I was worried about the mental health of someone that spends Friday & Saturday nights replying to message board threads

That being said, I'm off to watch the Sabres game..........

[docholly]

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I will be answering everyone in detail tomorrow as I will not be back until late tonight.

Greenie; We're based in NJ, not too far from you

Hmmm maybe in very North Jersey near the artic circle where the nights are VERY long this time of year.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by docholly

Hmmm maybe in very North Jersey near the artic circle where the nights are VERY long this time of year.

I spoke to him on ICQ on Tuesday night. He said he's been buried by GFY threads and reported problems at their board and that he had every intention of coming back here to answer the questions posed to him.

[DangerDave]

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I will be answering everyone in detail tomorrow as I will not be back until late tonight.

Tick.. tick.. tick.. tick.. tick..

[Linkster]

I guess I will bring this one back to the top with a question:
Ive heard a lot of talk lately about a certain company removing a module that is part of Nats? possibly and that module having to do with scrubbing of joins - with a corresponding increase in that programs sales that was amazing
Am I just hearing rumours or does anyone have the real scoop on this
Flashcash? possibly?

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Linkster

I guess I will bring this one back to the top with a question:
Ive heard a lot of talk lately about a certain company removing a module that is part of Nats? possibly and that module having to do with scrubbing of joins - with a corresponding increase in that programs sales that was amazing
Am I just hearing rumours or does anyone have the real scoop on this
Flashcash? possibly?

you know thats funny you say that now, I have flash cash on my LL and no other pages sites and once in awhile I'd get a sale with there old stats, and since they went to nats(what about a year ago?) I had 1 sale since they went to nats...

and some months ago there program emailed me to ask why my traffic converted before and not for a long time now, needless to say I never replyed back and they are on my get rid of sponsor list for 07...

then the other day I read a thread on the zoo about fleshlight horrible ratios after they went to nats....

I really dont know whats up with nats but if I were them or a sponsor with nats I would dam try and find out what the fuck...

maybe thats why so many sponsors all want to go with them, switch to nats and put more cash in your pockets, and hide behind statements like nats is unshaveable..

I would say in the comming months, years as its gets harder and harder to make sales that nats and the nats sponsors are gonna find themselfs alone and all the other webmasters will be with other sponsors that have a better stats program...

look at the zango thing, what is next the nats thing heheh

[dareutwo]

Amazing what happens when a big fish makes a complaint publicly.
You get a 3 page thread, how fortunate... not.

NATS - nothing against you personally, but I have my stats too.
Every program that has "switched" has cost me money. Which leads me to believe that there's more options for program owners, all things being equal.

[LB]

Having used Nats as an affiliate and a program owner I absolutely love nats. I have also had the opportunity to run nats (using mostly epoch and vxsbill) and ccbill side to side as an affiliate and every time the nats solution gave me significantly better ratios. Also never had an issue as an affiliate since if I don't like how a sponsor implemented nats and don't like their setup, then I don't use them. Same goes for mpa and the others.

Must just be a case of preference, because unlike many of you I cant stand using ccbill as an affiliate. Its clumsy, slow, and I know sales aren't being tracked well.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by LB

Having used Nats as an affiliate and a program owner I absolutely love nats. I have also had the opportunity to run nats (using mostly epoch and vxsbill) and ccbill side to side as an affiliate and every time the nats solution gave me significantly better ratios. Also never had an issue as an affiliate since if I don't like how a sponsor implemented nats and don't like their setup, then I don't use them. Same goes for mpa and the others.

Must just be a case of preference, because unlike many of you I cant stand using ccbill as an affiliate. Its clumsy, slow, and I know sales aren't being tracked well.

So I assume that TitanBucks doesn't use CCBill as one of their processors...

I can log into any program which uses NATS right now, pull up the stats for this period and click on the last number shown under Unq, which is Total, and recieve an incomplete list of referring URLs. Why is that? Right this moment at TitanBucks, my total of Uniques this period is (woohoo) 13. When I click on 13, I get this:
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-models-x... 2 0 0:2
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-models-x... 1 0 0:1
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-slut-fuc... 1 0 0:1
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-models-x... 1 0 0:1
http://www.whoringwives.com/tgp/pantyhose/ 1 0 0:1
Total 6

Where are the rest, LB? If NATS is so damn good - where are the rest?

And why not display the number of visits to the tour AND to the join page? Is it because NATS allows you to set the cookie expiration so short, that by the time a surfer hits the join page, the cookie is dead and that affiliate tracking has ended?

I can't defend the pregnant yak-like speed of CCBill's affiliate admin, but I never heard anyone say that they don't trust their ability to track joins.

[LB]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So I assume that TitanBucks doesn't use CCBill as one of their processors...

I can log into any program which uses NATS right now, pull up the stats for this period and click on the last number shown under Unq, which is Total, and recieve an incomplete list of referring URLs. Why is that? Right this moment at TitanBucks, my total of Uniques this period is (woohoo) 13. When I click on 13, I get this:
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-models-x... 2 0 0:2
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-models-x... 1 0 0:1
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-slut-fuc... 1 0 0:1
http://fhg.planetpreggo.com/pp/pregnant-models-x... 1 0 0:1
http://www.whoringwives.com/tgp/pantyhose/ 1 0 0:1
Total 6

Where are the rest, LB? If NATS is so damn good - where are the rest?

And why not display the number of visits to the tour AND to the join page? Is it because NATS allows you to set the cookie expiration so short, that by the time a surfer hits the join page, the cookie is dead and that affiliate tracking has ended?

I can't defend the pregnant yak-like speed of CCBill's affiliate admin, but I never heard anyone say that they don't trust their ability to track joins.

I'm assuming NATS doesn't display the clicks that couldn't be tracked to a ref url?? Though I admit I will have to check that. There is also a similar glitch in the site admin modules where some stats for affiliates aren't displayed ... similar to what you have but with nothing shown. Still waiting for a fix on that, but overall I'm still pretty happy with nats.

Back a while when I worked with another proggy with ccbill, we constantly saw sales not being tracked to the affiliate. The way we were set up these sales shouldn't have been lost, but I put it at around 10-20% of sales not being tracked correctly. I'm not sure whether ccbill just uses cookies, and if so that would be the reason right there. Running ccbill through cascading software (be it custom built, mpa, nats etc) would be the best bet.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by LB

I'm assuming NATS doesn't display the clicks that couldn't be tracked to a ref url?? Though I admit I will have to check that. .

If experience is any indication every program that I have that uses Nats has this tracking problem - the stats on the main page of the affiliate stats will show a number of 1st page hits and join page hits if they configure it that way - but if you go into the specific site you are sending to - the stats dont match - they are usually 20% less for referring urls although they do show the blank referrals and bookmark refs(which is where I would have assumed the discrepancy was) - so Im not sure where the rest go????

[Tvduijn]

I always wonder that aswell, today its even worse then normal at one of my sponsors, I try to track 670 uniques and I get refferals for.....75 uniques

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Linkster

If experience is any indication every program that I have that uses Nats has this tracking problem - the stats on the main page of the affiliate stats will show a number of 1st page hits and join page hits if they configure it that way - but if you go into the specific site you are sending to - the stats dont match - they are usually 20% less for referring urls although they do show the blank referrals and bookmark refs(which is where I would have assumed the discrepancy was) - so Im not sure where the rest go????

I think my favorite (not) is PanchoDog. Their NATS stats page will show I have 65-75 uniques on a given day, and when I check the referring URLs it only shows one or two.

[urb]

CCBill have been paying me like clockwork for 6 years as an affiliate. I measure results by the number of checks I get through the door and not by affiliate admin detail.

I swear by CCBill because I think they are the best billing company on earth.

[Greenguy]

DDave (and anyone else) - can you post (or PM) a lost of sponsors that you know have switched from CCBill (or anything else) to NATS?

The stats geek in me thinks it might be interesting for me to pull numbers from my old stats runs & compare them to this next one.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

...The stats geek in me thinks it might be interesting for me to pull numbers from my old stats runs & compare them to this next one.

I'd also like to ask a couple of the regulars around here to think about posting their stats as well (in the same manner that I do - and we can put them on here with mine if you wish so that it's easier for people to see them)

If you want to try this & I know you (physically shook your hand or spoke to you on the phone) them PM me.

[Toby]

Switched from CCBill to NATS
Twisted Cash
413 Dollars / Kelly Cash
$ammy $mack
Reality Wife / Amateur Porn Dollars
IA Cash

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Toby

Switched from CCBill to NATS
...$ammy $mack...

They were using something else (I think the one that Lotza Dollars still uses)

But, needless to say, the list has started

I'm going to go thru the Webmaster News archives later today & see what else I can find, because I know I always post the newsletter when a company switches to a new affiliate admin.

[emmanuelle]

Sammy was using the thing from taboo revenue before nats
naughty bank was using ccbill before moving to mpa3
lisa sparxxx (adult stars pass) moved from ccbill to nats then back to ccbill after an issue concerning rebills
jovicash recently switched
4realcash

[Linkster]

Im pretty sure Skincash (Mr Skin) did that change a while back - although they were using ibill as well as ccbill - I dont think that would skew it too much

Flashcash changed over a while back - although they were using their own backend if memory serves

Phatchecks - converted about 2 years ago

Realitycash (adult.com) changed from something else to nats

OcCash swapped from ccbill a while ago

pornstardollars swapped over although they didnt use the ccbill affiliate backend

jaymans program swapped over ravenriley if I remember correctly?

and of course it would be hard to check anything with this one - stiffycash over to mayors money with the implementation of nats

[Linkster]

Oh and Greenie - since I think I shook your hand once I sent you a PM

[tickler]

My little 2¢ on this stuff.

So one of my sponsors that I have quite a few referrals on under ccBill. switched to NATs. Although they are maintaining all the old linking for ccBill(for now). All WMs need to signup again under NATs for access to promo, and linking codes.

From what I have been able to determine so far, my WMs referrals will no longer be tracked under the new system.

Great way to gain an extra 10% income for the sponsor by screwing the WMs out of their referrals commision.