Are These New Piece Of Shit Options Now Standard In NATS?

Useless · 2006-12-18, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnQ

a lof of the issues you are complaining about seem to have a lot to do with what you are NOT doing.

Q - I've done nothing! Literally. I sit here and watch my traffic. That's it. You're arging for NATS because that's what YOUR PROGRAM uses. Big surprise. It's best for you and your friends at NATS for you to shift the blame upon the affiliates. That's fine. I'm sure it's a solid business decision for you.

I'm not looking for scapegoats. My ratios don't improve when I find something to blame. I just point out the obvious. Program A switches to NATS. My ratios drop. Program B switches to NATS. My ratios drop. Somethings up with the way they're running NATS. It's not fucking rocket science on my end.

Qon · 2006-12-18, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

It's best for you and your friends at NATS for you to shift the blame upon the affiliates. That's fine. I'm sure it's a solid business decision for you.

what are you talking about dude? how am i shifting the blame on affiliates? whats the point of having a discussion with someone who doesn't actually read what you've said?

its MISUSE of software, not the software and its the responsibility of both the program owner and the affiliate to insure that the agreement you have come to is backed up by a functional use of the software they have chosen to use. its very simple so i reeeeealy don't understand why you're having such a tough time getting it.... or maybe you just like to find things to bitch about?

i'll say it one more time: DO SOME INVESTIGATION & DISCOVER THE PROBLEM. if they are misusing the affiliate software and you continue to send them traffic while they do that, who is to blame? both sides are to blame and the responsibility lies in both hands to resolve the issue.

Greenguy · 2006-12-18, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnQ

...back to my previous point: make the effort as a partner to insure the place u send your traffic is working & setup properly. perhaps you could be saving the program and other affiliates with your efforts. its just as much your responsibility as it is the sponsors once you go into a partnership agreement of this nature.

Why is it my job to make sure the sponsors affiliate software is working?

Oddly enough, I do check most of the tours & hosted materials to make sure that the codes pass thru to the join page, but fuck me if you think that's my job!

9 times out of 10, I just delete the codes & move on - I do sometimes let the sponsor know about the problem, but I do not think that it's my responsibility to make sure the program owners have their affiliate software working properly - it's the program owners & the software developers responsibility.

Who has time to do this kind of stuff anyway when there 100's of programs out there that are set up properly?

And what does any of this have to do with our questions about the NATS software?

Greenguy · 2006-12-18, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnQ

....DO SOME INVESTIGATION & DISCOVER THE PROBLEM...

I think you're missing the point here as well - a lot of us have done our own investigating & most (if not all) of the time, the problem involves a program using NATS.

If most of us see that our ratios & income drop when a program moves to NATS......

virgohippy · 2006-12-18, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

I think you're missing the point here as well - a lot of us have done our own investigating & most (if not all) of the time, the problem involves a program using NATS.

If most of us see that our ratios & income drop when a program moves to NATS......

Whether it's the software itself, or the room for fucking up the software allows, the trend still forces a decision.

shunga · 2006-12-18, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

If most of us see that our ratios & income drop when a program moves to NATS......

GG, the point is, most affiliates using NATS *can't* see a real drop in ratios, otherwise NATS would be a dead duck, and it would have been a dead duck long ago.

Greenguy · 2006-12-18, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shunga

GG, the point is, most affiliates using NATS *can't* see a real drop in ratios, otherwise NATS would be a dead duck, and it would have been a dead duck long ago.

You wanna read thru this thread again, especially the posts by Danger Dave & Preacher.

I do have a stats run of 20 NATS programs with pre & post totals, but I'm waiting on one more person to get me their stats before I post it.

shunga · 2006-12-18, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

You wanna read thru this thread again, especially the posts by Danger Dave & Preacher.

I do have a stats run of 20 NATS programs with pre & post totals, but I'm waiting on one more person to get me their stats before I post it.

The point remains that if ratios were so bad across the board, NATS would not be as used as it is. And it isn't popular with sponsors because it gives them tools to shave affiliates, either.

Useless · 2006-12-18, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shunga

The point remains that if ratios were so bad across the board, NATS would not be as used as it is. And it isn't popular with sponsors because it gives them tools to shave affiliates, either.

I agree. Affiliates are all just a bunch of ignorant, whining wannabees with nothing better to do than bitch and moan. NATS is perfect and sponsors would never even consider shaving. You heard it from me first.

Linkster · 2006-12-18, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shunga

The point remains that if ratios were so bad across the board, NATS would not be as used as it is. And it isn't popular with sponsors because it gives them tools to shave affiliates, either.

Youre right - its not popular because of that - its popular because its cheap - any idiot can start a program using it without ever doing any programming on the back end(which unfortunately a lot do)
Also - comparing it to ccbill isnt a real comparison tool as they are two different things - while ccbill does give a few tools to look at it is not an an affilate program software standalone - it is a processor that gives a few tools and thats it - apples and oranges.
As far as the shaving - while it may not have anything built in - any monkey programmer can take care of that pretty easily - just like any other program out there - not saying its the programs fault - its just people are people - and if it can be done they are going to do it.

Ya know a long time ago someone in this industry (I think it was around 1999 or so) called me on the phone cause I had made a post at another board about one program back then that I had caught shaving - and he said real simple - why point out just one program? - they all shave - you just have to figure out how much and figure that into your biz model

Qon · 2006-12-18, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Why is it my job to make sure the sponsors affiliate software is working?

no one said its your job... if you hadn't noticed, in the TOS of most programs, you're agreeing to a partnership. basically, you're saying you just want the program owner to do all th work and you make all the money? lol... "give me hosted galleries.... give me linking code i can figure out.... give me... give me" IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. PARTicipate in helping to run it.

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Who has time to do this kind of stuff anyway when there 100's of programs out there that are set up properly?

why would any program owner want to partner with people who don't take their partnership seriously? why should they be concerned about what someone like that thinks? if a program has a site that you KNOW is great... you have had good history with sales and retention, but then something happens and that changes. do you think it will be easy to find another site to replace the one you have PROVEN to make you a fat check? so doesn't it behoove you to make some effort to fix the problem... something as simple as going thru a signup with the site just to check functionality?

but thats a little too much for you.... u just want to put up links and get paid. fuck the program owner (your partner)... if that's the case, why should an affiliate program owner care about ONE or TWO affiliates when there are THOUSANDS out there that are looking to make money from this site that sells so well? you want to say FUCK them but you want them to care about each and every one of you

personally, i'm on both sides so i can see it. i've noticed changes when programs change from one software to another. i've noticed when they don't change at all. the biz isn't perfect traffic isn't perfect... the real question is do you trust your affiliate program owner? have you spoken personally with the guys that are sending you checks? met them in person? NATs is just software.... misuse of it and other factors can and DO affect your sales numbers. don't find scapegoats for anything... help find a resolution or you are just as much a part of the problem. i think CCBill is cool but of course i prefer a solution that will logically make me more $$$.... whether its nats, mpa3 or partnersoft... i'm going with cascading over any dependency on my money coming from a processor. that's just me.... that's all i'll say on this. feel free to continue nats bashing, or bashing whatever u choose.... you'll get tired and find something else to scapegoat eventually. have a good 1.

virgohippy · 2006-12-18, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnQ

but thats a little too much for you.... u just want to put up links and get paid.

Yes. And I imagine you want me to send you traffic so you can get paid.

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Originally Posted by DamnQ

fuck the program owner (your partner)... if that's the case, why should an affiliate program owner care about ONE or TWO affiliates when there are THOUSANDS out there that are looking to make money from this site that sells so well? you want to say FUCK them but you want them to care about each and every one of you

Do you have a lot of affiliates who ask for more then you feel they deserve?