Non-English Speaking Webmasters

[SirMoby]

Go to any country in the world, walk up to someone over the age of 18 and say one of the following phrases.

fuck, blow job, ass to mouth, tits, pussy, hardcore, lady boy, porn, sex, ...

English is the language of porn just like the rest of the world uses English words to describe technology.

While I'm sure that some people are looking for porn on the Internet using Spanish, French, German and Portuguese, the bulk of those native speakers with credit cards are probably using English words to find it.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Go to any country in the world, walk up to someone over the age of 18 and say one of the following phrases.

fuck, blow job, ass to mouth, tits, pussy, hardcore, lady boy, porn, sex, ...

English is the language of porn just like the rest of the world uses English words to describe technology.

While I'm sure that some people are looking for porn on the Internet using Spanish, French, German and Portuguese, the bulk of those native speakers with credit cards are probably using English words to find it.

Exactly and thank you for getting back on topic. Nobody can blame anyone for attempting to go where the money is.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Jim

Hell, look toward your own government as far as trying to stop porn. Wasn't there a Lord that was called Lord Porn because of the way he tried to stomp out porn in the UK? And wasn't he laughed at by his counterparts and dismised as a joke?

He was laughed at, but he got a lot of companies closed down, a lot of stuff banned, and a lot of people sent to jail.

Until a few years ago we had very strict laws over here. Up to about ten years ago it was still a serious offence to even put a link to a porn site, let alone run one. Even if you ran a non-profit making blog like site where you just talked about your boring life, pets, favourite bar, etc. and one day mentioned a porn site you had seen (and been disgusted by) on the net, you could go to jail if you put a link to it on your site.

And it is only about two years ago that it ceased to be an inprisonable offence to display a photo of an erect penis.

That is why I am so certain America is heading for 'porn prohibition', because the way the American press and politicians are talking is the way our press and politicians were talking in the early 1980s, before we got our seriously draconian anti porn laws.

When I started in online porn I spent a lot of money setting up a fake Japanese identity for myself, so the 'Japanese me' could take the blame. If you don't do something now, you will soon have to do a similar thing. If you sit there saying "We got freedom of speech/it won't happen here" then it will happen. As someone once said "democracy is not a privilege, it is a duty", you want to still be in this business for the foreseeable future, you have got to start fighting to keep that right to free speech now.

But I am getting way off my original point, which was not what Americans should do (its your country, none of my business how you run it, I don't live there). Originally I was saying why I thought it was a mistake for European webmasters to invest more time and effort in American based sites than in sites aimed at their countrymen (my answer to a question posted by Jim), and asking why they did it (sort of repeating the thread's aim).

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Jim

Exactly and thank you for getting back on topic. Nobody can blame anyone for attempting to go where the money is.

But can you blame reviewers for getting upset when they see sites with text like this?

Welcome! Enter now for hot girl-in-feature of the action of the girl only hot!
The Lascivious girls spread their horny cunts and are played hot plays before camera.
The Opposite girl-on-girl pics and video collection with quotient Taipei's
- an entering here and enjoys this wit-blow of the scenes.
Pleasantly, the girls enjoy the erotic pleasure.
Soft pussy, palec-fucking and corrupted dildo plays were shot in camera!
The Hot girl-in-action! The Seizing scenes: clit, dildo-fucking and ass-there is in video!
The Best source for evident action directly!
The Snub here to enter the paradise!

Cute love pussy more, than they love the cock!
Come the watch these corrupted to search for the narrow knee of the princesses of each cunt other
in orgasm and palec-fuck their horny cunts before their juice.
Exclusive smoking-hot pics and video!
100% exclusive girl, doing love before their digital camera!

This is actual ad text taken from the main page of a free site that was submitted to LOR over the weekend.

[redglow]

That one made my day.......
Don't use Babel Fish Translation

[ecchi]

Damn it, I just deleted my last post because Redglow said the same thing as me, but got in while I was posting. And when your script brought me back to the thread it dumped me on the first page. For a moment I thought I had deleted the last half dozen posts in the thread !|hotjump|

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Greenie

But can you blame reviewers for getting upset when they see sites with text like this?

Welcome! Enter now for hot girl-in-feature of the action of the girl only hot!
The Lascivious girls spread their horny cunts and are played hot plays before camera.
The Opposite girl-on-girl pics and video collection with quotient Taipei's
- an entering here and enjoys this wit-blow of the scenes.
Pleasantly, the girls enjoy the erotic pleasure.
Soft pussy, palec-fucking and corrupted dildo plays were shot in camera!
The Hot girl-in-action! The Seizing scenes: clit, dildo-fucking and ass-there is in video!
The Best source for evident action directly!
The Snub here to enter the paradise!

Cute love pussy more, than they love the cock!
Come the watch these corrupted to search for the narrow knee of the princesses of each cunt other
in orgasm and palec-fuck their horny cunts before their juice.
Exclusive smoking-hot pics and video!
100% exclusive girl, doing love before their digital camera!

This is actual ad text taken from the main page of a free site that was submitted to LOR over the weekend.

I can see the frustration but you can't just use a big brush to paint all non-english speaking webmasters. I wish I could remember the name of ultracash's best webmaster...I should. But, he was from a non-english speaking country. He alone sent more good signups each day than the next top 3 combined.

All I am saying is that by excluding all webmasters because their english "ain't as good as ares are" is leaving a ton of money on the table.

Tell me seriously. Do you really think people click on your free site links to read the text?

[redglow]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Damn it, I just deleted my last post because Redglow said the same thing as me, but got in while I was posting. And when your script brought me back to the thread it dumped me on the first page. For a moment I thought I had deleted the last half dozen posts in the thread !|hotjump|

*chuckles*
Bet your heart skipped a couple of beats there.

[stuveltje]

oke ofcourse i am non english speaking (and still cant write it properly after almost 6 years) the reason why i do not focus much on my own country has alot of reasons:
1: i believe english is the nr1 language of the world so you will reach a much bigger crowd then only the dutch people (holland 16 million of people living there of which i think at least 4 or 5 million are people from other countries who dont speak our language)
2: Holland isnt a country of creditcards, if you ask in my town who has a creditcard you can cound them on one hand. Most of the porn here always went thru thru phone thing.
3:Most of the Dutch sponsors i dont trust
4: dutch porn text.........very rude and still alowed by the dutch sponsors, i think porn oke, but it doesnt have to be insulting for the persons who are with their pictures on the site.

Now phonesex will do very well in holland, specially the 06 numbers and i have phonesexsites, i started this bizz in english only because one nutty aussi guy gave me an offer to learn me the bizz ( he still regret he took the time for me because i drove him nuts and i still do)
But if you check the dutch sponsors now then you will see that they all focus on the other countries, they will try to hit the biggest part of the world with their english.
I would prefere that more sponsors can offer the same sites in different languages like sexmoney did and there you will see the same issue english speaking people have with foreign people but then the otherway around, because if you look at the text of those sites in dutch, spanish and frenche etc etc, you will find alot of speling mistakes and even text lines which make you think Huhhh???
On this moment i cant even write properly dutch because i write english dutch but still i manage to explain people what i mean..........oke sometimes then

[Mr Spock]

(2) Thanks to the chimp you currently have running your country, the US dollar is pretty worthless compared with most other countries' currency. This means that if you live outside the US and get paid in $US, you have to sell twice as many memberships to make your money as you would if you sold them in your own country's currency.

Actually the US $ has been trending weaker against most other currencies for the past 20/30 years and has nothing to do with GW.

The bottom line is this: the reason that non-english speaking webmasters target english speakers is the fact that most english speakers have higher disposable incomes and present alarger more viable market.

If China or India suddenly became receptive to porn wm - I doubt whether there would be a rush of wm trying to get into China or India - these people just don't have disposable incomes at this point in time

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Actually the US $ has been trending weaker against most other currencies for the past 20/30 years and has nothing to do with GW.

I was not trading outside Britain 20/30 years ago, so I cannot agree/disagree for certain but, yes I think it was stronger back then. However it took another nose dive a few years ago and has been incredibly low since then. This did happen on George W.'s watch and it is his fault. He not only admits it, he claims (probably honestly) that he did it deliberately. His theory is that if the US$ is this far down the toilet, Americans will not be able to buy foreign goods, thus improving the balance of payment. The problem is that if Americans buy foreign goods anyway (eg oil) then it has the reverse effect, and recession happens. That is why it is a gambol.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

The bottom line is this: the reason that non-english speaking webmasters target english speakers is the fact that most english speakers have higher disposable incomes and present alarger more viable market.

I agree. I have no facts to back it up but I would think english speaking people tend to have a higher disposable income. What's the price of petrol (gasoline) in the UK? Here it's around $2.30/U.S gallon, give or take a little. I hear in Italy it's around $6.00/gallon. What's the average income in non-english speaking countries. When you have lower average income, higher costs for goods and services, there isn't much left for porn.

Edit: I guess Mr. Spock and I just answered my original question in this thread

[stuveltje]

btw i did forgot to tell that i can make a ton here in holland with the forbidden niches , well the niches which are forbidden in most countries...so even when or if i would use that i would still use the english language and believe me they wont read the text because if you want something as a buyer and you cant get it in your own country you will get it elsewhere, its all about the niche you promoot on your site, the banners and content. At sexmoney i promoted the gyno niche...free sites where in english (ofcourse my bad english),the paysite link would show up in the language of your country it didnt matter if they where in english, germany or dutch, even i tried to hit the usa, most of my buyers where people from france and germany, so i keep saying the sites have to be in english language its a world language and maybe just because not all peope speak english they will understand the bad english more then the good one heay when i go for an holiday to Mallorca i wont speak spanish either, i will speak my evil dutch english...the only thing i know in spanish is: una servesa ...or something like that

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

I agree. I have no facts to back it up but I would think english speaking people tend to have a higher disposable income. What's the price of petrol (gasoline) in the UK? Here it's around $2.30/U.S gallon, give or take a little. I hear in Italy it's around $6.00/gallon. What's the average income in non-english speaking countries. When you have lower average income, higher costs for goods and services, there isn't much left for porn.

Edit: I guess Mr. Spock and I just answered my original question in this thread

na i dont believe the income has something to do with it, i do believe the way how they can pay for porn has to do something with it. to my knowledge the usa is the country where all can have several creditcards, here in holland it doesnt work that way, yes you can get a credit card but isnt easy, so several creditcards..you can forget that part only if you are a millionair you get that deal, this is done to prevent to get people in money trouble. And paying prn by check.....we dont use checks in holland

[redglow]

lol stuveltje, thats the one thing I can say in spanish too, well, that and asking for the bill.
Some of the richest countries, and with the people having most money, in the world are non english ones...
Talking of petrol, try 7.2 US $ a gallon...... and yeah, we have much higher income than US, so there's money for porn.
Even if everyone here got "at least one creditcard", it doesn't help as long as the people talk english when searching for porn..... They have to .....
As a customer, they want variety, and they wouldn't have that if they were looking for "lokal porn" We just don't produce what they want...
Guess that english is the main language for porn, so anyone looking for it would search in "pornish" aka english
That's the way they get to find something they want to pay for, and after all, it's all about the money...

If you were a customer, and you were talking a language that you shared with 4.5 million other people.... That's not more than a big US city.... Would you trust in those 4.5 million others to produce the exact porn you were looking for? (EDIT :: make that 2.25 million, lots are under 18, or just too old and so on)
Or would you have to add american porn as well to be happy with the "total package"?

Another thing to think about is this: I live in a country where noone will get out of bed in the morning for less than 20US$/hr, most people with some form for education makes a lot more...
What do you think the cost of making a lot of content here would be, with people born here, speaking the language fluently, used to be paid a lot for anything they do...
The customers would have to pay more for their porn (it is supposed to pay off for the actors, the contentproviders and the sponsors AND the affilates, and basing all that on the total of 200 000 customers would be risky business...)
Don't think a lot of people here would pay at least three times as much for the same product just to have it in their own language... At least when thinking of the fact that most of them understand english very well. (And... it's not the talking that's most important for them either)

So the problem isn't only the places where people have less money for porn, and no creditcards.... Everything has two sides, most things have more.....

[stuveltje]

they say holland is one of the riches countries in europa...oh yep we are, but we are also the country with the most taxes things, the only thing we dont pay taxes for is ..inhealing oxigen.....people think in holland you can do all, yep most part is true ..but it will cost ya, but still holland is a very small country...so why focus only on that part if there is a whole world you can reach...specially with the internet...internet..the only way to reach the whole world bad english or not

[redglow]

lol, was on schooltrip to Amsterdam my senior year at highschool, thought it was kind of cheap there.....
Knows about the darn taxes, you're right, the only free thing left here as well are the air we breath, and I'm sure they'll tax that as well soon |badidea|

[stuveltje]

and about the lower dollar, hell tell me about it...when i started this bizz 6 years ago i got for 100 dollars 115 euro, now for 100 dollars i get what 70 euros..... now thats not the only part, i have for cost about 600 dollars a month for hosting and domain renewal and thats not all, all i earn i have to pay 52% for taxes in holland, so for every dollar i get half back with taxes pulled off, now do you realy think i would stay in this bizz if i earn a little naaaaaaaaaaaaa? there is alot of money to make for foreing and not foreing people, why? because you can reach the whole world if you use english text....good english or not But it does explain why so many foreign people dont make it in this bizz ...well i think that way

[stuveltje]

alot of foreign people try this bizz, also alot get hit on the facted they dont write properly english...i blame it on the bathroom submitters they fuck up for the others who realy wanna try, not all get a chanse that a good speaking english guy help them out in this bizz..or show them the way to walk or learn them all or double check their sites before it goes alive. I still believe some are realy trying. But i also believe alot of people think to easy about this bizz...most still believe its easy money..which isnt the deal.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

...the only thing we dont pay taxes for is ..inhealing oxigen

Thank God they don't tax sex

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

Thank God they don't tax sex

in holland they do, being a whore is a job here in holland....heay dont laugh, but prostitutes have to pay tax also thats a new rule they use here since 2 years ago its to freaking funny, but its realy true to fucking funny when they tell a mom with 2 kids who cant find a real job....well lady we have a job for you, you can be a prostitute...its a real job so you pay taxes

[redglow]

It was strange walking in Redlight district...... women on display in the windows.. strip bars all over and the legal hoes...... Netherland is strange, kewl, but strange lol.
As a 5" tall girl, I wouldn'w walk there if I didn't have a couple big male bodyguards lol.
(was in Netherland to see the tulips tho, not all the pervy-stuff..... lol)

I haven't been in this biz for many years like a lot of you guys, but I'm not looking at it as easy money either..... I've spent 8 months now from the first time i visited a forum for adult webmasters...
I've read over and over again, been looking at hubs, LL's, TGP's, TGP2's..
I've checked sponsors, and been looking at the galleries and freesites thats submitted on the different lists, to see what content is overused over time and what's not seen as often.

I bought my first adult related domain 8 months ago, and my newest is 3 weeks, but this is the first week I've actually done anything at all.
I knew it would be a lot of work, and I wanted to be sure I wanted to invest the time before I started... When I start with something I like to do it right, and I'm a hard worker if my mind is set on doing something...

To get the most back for my time, I'll try reach as many as possible, hence the use of english for non english-speaking people defense lol...

But, at least, sex is free.... as long as I'm not in Holland and having it as a living

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

in holland they do, being a whore is a job here in holland....heay dont laugh, but prostitutes have to pay tax also thats a new rule they use here since 2 years ago

Well, just about any income in the States is subject to taxation but when you get paid with cash, who's to know how much you make? I don't know a self respecting ho that honestly reports all her income Lot of ho's on welfare driving VERY nice cars...

[Samoseks]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

Why are non-english speaking webmasters trying to sell porn to english speaking people? Are we the only ones that have credit cards? Are there no porn surfers in their own countries? Is the english speaking market just bigger? I was just curious, not bashing anyone at all.

I explained this before. The majority of people in my country don't have a credit card. They pay for porn by sending SMS from they mobile phones. Last year I've had over 700 signups but I earned only 250 dollars (yes, I need almost 3 signups for 1$).

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Samoseks

Last year I've had over 700 signups but I earned only 250 dollars (yes, I need almost 3 signups for 1$).

If I got paid $1 for 3 signups I would quit selling porn and walk along the side the road and pick up aluminum cans and sell them for scrap metal |goodidea Damn, 700 signups and $250 ??? Let's work out an arrangement where your signups are credited to me and we'll split the $24,000 |goodidea