I've Pulled Hardlink Trades - You May Want To Read This

[Bill]

Originally Posted by jennym

I have never lost PR on any of my internal pages, so I am very unfamiliar with what you are describing. That is why I started the original thread, and joined this one. I am always eager and willing to learn.

Well, when i first noticed this occuring months ago I surfed thru my trades and studied how it affected the se networks of a bunch of my trading partners.

That takes me into the network of sites of about a dozen of the biggest se builders here, including dean & jeff (and their network may include your se domains, if you have many domains beyond your primary ll), linkster, jay, gg & mml, and others.

I saw interior pages that I beleived had pr zeroed out everywhere I went. Their was no-one who was immune to it.

(I can't always be sure that interior zeros had been hit by this, that is, they might have been zeros before, but I have surfed all these folks sites multiple times over the years, I'm quite sure that I saw plenty of "main" pages off the index zeroed, plus all or most of the minor pages. on domain after domain.)

Plus, of course, the small linklists and subsidiary sites of all the small linklist owners here, almost all or many of whom have had the interior zeros at some point, as has been discussed here a fair number of times in the past 16 months.

So, if you haven't seen it, I don't know what to tell you. Go over your domains and friend's domains and look for it. It's happening as we speak.

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I gather you feel that your linklist offers such unique value to the surfers that you can afford to say "fuck you" to other webmasters, and you don't think you will gain the rep of a linkdropper from this. That's your position, that's your right.

My position is that this is a dangerous road, and, to boot, it's not a solution to this problem.

I'm not a linklist owner. If you guys want to start a linkdropping war it's not that big a deal to me.

I am a linker, and for as long as I've been a linker, the general opinion has been that linkdropping is something only cheaters do.

[jennym]

Originally Posted by Bill

I gather you feel that your linklist offers such unique value to the surfers that you can afford to say "fuck you" to other webmasters, and you don't think you will gain the rep of a linkdropper from this. That's your position, that's your right.

My position is that this is a dangerous road, and, to boot, it's not a solution to this problem.

I'm not a linklist owner. If you guys want to start a linkdropping war it's not that big a deal to me.

I am a linker, and for as long as I've been a linker, the general opinion has been that linkdropping is something only cheaters do.

Did you not read the multiple times I have said I haven't pulled any links over this? So if I no longer want to trade, and I email someone and inform them I no longer want to trade, then I am a cheater? That's a bit dramatic don't you think? I don't think my LL is special at all....that's the problem.

I believe I have always been very polite to people who have come at me politely. I really try not to get involved in drama and pissing. I just asked for opinions. I don't ever like to make enemies. That being said, at the end of the day, I am here to make money. I have children to feed and clothe and put through college. I really can't worry about hurt feelings. And, I think it is childish to have hurt feelings over a business discussion anyway.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by jennym

Did you not read the multiple times I have said I haven't pulled any links over this? So if I no longer want to trade, and I email someone and inform them I no longer want to trade, then I am a cheater? That's a bit dramatic don't you think?

Ahhhhhh, my sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I must have misremembered you as saying that you had dropped links. It must have been someone else. I stand corrected, and doubly apologize.

I was mixing up my general concerns about the trust required for linking, and your specific case.

I just want to speak strongly about the importance of linking agreements, and I was concerned that your talk and examples were going to start a panic about linking, about who's cool and who's not, and get people started on a cycle of punitive and quiet linkdropping.

[jennym]

Originally Posted by Preacher

The few responses I have received from my notices have been positive ones because the webmasters know that they had closed submits or stopped updating and totally understood where I was coming from and I thank them all for that.

Glad to hear they understood

Originally Posted by Preacher

And I gave something to talk about on Tuesday night so you should all be thanking me or all we'd hear about is hi-def programming and hockey results!

Originally Posted by Bill

Ahhhhhh, my sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I must have misremembered you as saying that you had dropped links. It must have been someone else. I stand corrected, and doubly apologize.

I was mixing up my general concerns about the trust required for linking, and your specific case.

I just want to speak strongly about the importance of linking agreements, and I was concerned that your talk and examples were going to start a panic about linking, about who's cool and who's not, and get people started on a cycle of punitive and quiet linkdropping.

No worries, just want people to understand that. I have only dropped about 6 or 7 links in about 8 years I think, and none of them had anything to do with this. I will re-evaluate everything in the next week or so and decide what to do then. Rest assured, if I intend to drop any links, I will make every effort to contact the other party.