Do we, as an adult webmaster community, oppose supporting adult versions of YouTube?

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Bobc01

I think the threat is that most content you see on a paysite you can find free around the net anyway because 90% of it is plugged in.

I have worked with three programs & had my own paysites and not one of them has a majority of their content plugged in. I review sites on the side and very few of the members areas I have reviewed in the past year have had a majority of their content plugged in. I am just wondering where you got the 90% from?


spaz

[Bobc01]

Ok but whats different about the content to any other paysite that i can't find on youtube or yourfilehost or any free source?

People theme their sites on whatever but basically they're the same predictable content.

[Greenguy]

It's a wonder we make any sales, huh Bob?

[Bobc01]

That's not what i'm saying, it's basically most, if not all people pumping porn are driven by their own greed, anything that's likely to be a threat is obviously not gonna get supported or liked.

But like anything thats under threat from competition, instead of moaning about it, work on ways of countering it by offering better and not the predictable paysite content thats plastered all over the place.

I'm surprised most people didn't predict things like this now most people have broadband and the way online media has grown in everyway.

Ok 90% is a bit over exaggerated but the thing with youtube is it's unique and different to the paysite free content you find in packed in tgp/link sites.

Maybe paysite free content is a bad idea as there is so much of it about that people get bored.

I'm not trying to insult or upset people just giving a view.


Edit: Have a look at this site "sexdreams.2link.be" and tell me whats more of a threat, youtube or this.

[Greenguy]

Greed? Since when is a company's business model referred to as "greed"?

You think that the movie files on adult tube sites are really that much different from the free content, hosted galleries & whatnot that sponsors allow webmaster to use? It's the same material with a different delivery system.

Hell, if anything, it's longer versions posted by surfers that got the video from the members area or from some sharing service.

[Bobc01]

Well, if it isn't greed whats the problem?

If it's stolen content from paysites then it's theft and infringes copyright and youtube would be liable.

If it's submitted videos of home porn which is what i've seen mostly on there then again why should people pay to see them?

what your saying is ban people from submitting their own porn unless webmasters can exploit it and get rich.

I'd worry more on password trading/spoofing than what youtube type sites offer.

[Greenguy]

You really need to re-read all my comments on this - I understand why the adult tube sites exist & I'm not banning them (there were 3 posts promoting them in the last week that are still where they were posted)

What I am saying is that they are against my business model (Link Lists & TGP's) and that's why I do not want to support or encourage them.

I don't like adult tube sites at all - I don't care of the content is all submitted by the paysite owners, if it's all home made videos, if it's all stolen & no one has the rights to post it anyplace - not my concern.

It's also a completely different scenario with password traders or spyware or other malicious business models - if I threw up a poll asking if we should support password traders it's by 100% to 0% - and really has nothing to do with this thread.

[Bobc01]

Ok i see what you're saying, i only read the first few posts which were mainly about free porn.

The thing about youtube sites is they get good traffic, link lists send very little and from what i've seen elsewhere are mainly used to boost the dreaded PR's.

I can understand why link sites are against them but surely it just means you have to change with the times and compete to be better.

Link-o-rama tube?

[mr.sexbankroll]

I support them.. i think that anyone anywhere can find access to freeporn, and supporting things like this that makes porn 'ok' is a benefit to everyone involved in the industry

[xxxjay]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...n&q=snizzshare - this thread comes up #3 on a google search. Does that mean Google is for or against?

Tough call.

[Greenguy]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...n&q=xxxjay+ass - is Google for or against you being an ass

I kid - I kid - but thanks for bumping the thread

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...n&q=snizzshare - this thread comes up #3 on a google search. Does that mean Google is for or against?

Tough call.

Google ranks a lot of stuff high that I doubt very seriously they are "for".

Just a quick example: #2 result for "sex xxx" no quotes. (xxxpower.net)

I would have a hard time believing Google is all for that site. Just check out the title.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Google ranks a lot of stuff high that I doubt very seriously they are "for".

Just a quick example: #2 result for "sex xxx" no quotes. (xxxpower.net)

I would have a hard time believing Google is all for that site. Just check out the title.

I disagree. There are certian SEO advantages you have being Web 2.0. Give me a couple months and you'll see.

[sirkakashi08]

i voted 50/50, but after reading your posts/replies, i think i'm against to that idea!

[esteve]

50/50 here, but that could change pretty fast.

[Beaver Bob]

I'm 50/50. I've uploaded a few small trailer clips on a few of our sites and not a whole lot of traffic, but a little bit. I do think flash video itself is going to become more and more in use because that where everything is going. A site like jay's that controls everything, in my opinion, is fine. What isn't is sites that would allow member area content uploaded.

[cutclips]

the 'yes' or 'no' answer as to whether or not webmasters support Tube like sites is of little practical value. it seems like the relevancy of the question is how it is webmasters are going to respond to these types of sites. what new models are we going to come up with? although these sites are nettlesome, in a way they will challenge webmasters to improve upon the laurels that we rest on. in time, we are going to have to move away from indirect content resources like LL and TGPs, and if not away from these static modes, at least augment them.

[cutclips]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

so please tell me how a sponsor hosted tube clone is any worse then LL, MGPs, TGPs or any other method that gives away free content.
spaz

because free clips that run over a minute are the very thing the user is looking for. long enough to spank. free streaming video is very desirable.

you can slice traffic up into quality traffic, and parse that into categories based on buying behavior, but the fact of the matter is, highly motivated buyers are outnumbered by the vast amount of users looking not to buy, but to spank. that means the tube sites are catering to a larger demo.
that's how they are worse. they get to the ends by jumping the usual means.
the real issue here is not about free content, but about the quantity of free content. a free ten minute clip is more detrimental to affiliate models than two gallery pages with five or six jpgs.

[VicD]

Originally Posted by Linkster

The problem here is that we are comparing apples and oranges - something like Jays site where the uploads are private and linked to a sponsor with an affiliate code are completely different than a public upload site like youtube where anyone can post anything and the revenue comes from page - loads using something like Adsense.

So voting on this is kinda like voting on whether you like hosted free sites competing with your free sites that you submit to a LL

Good point, it's not just a black and white choice, it's way more detailed, so i voted YES/NO

[LeRoy]

I am not for them. I uploaded some trailers and got a little traffic from one site. I found some Zango links on another site I used. Then I stopped going to them. I think there is always going to be someone with longer clips on the Tube sites. Longer clips are not good at all. There needs to be a 30 second rule or something.

[LD]

I haven't voted yet....I just don't know, but I think it could get more people into porn. I mean if you like porn, you tend to want to see more, and you want a wider variety. So you've got people looking at porn who otherwise would not bother. Pretty soon they go to google to find more. Porn becomes a part of their sex live. A spillover effect, or an expanded market, so to speak.

[maniac]

Imagine you were selling cars. And there was a place where people can get cars for free. Then who you think will pay for cars?

It's ok to let the customer have a test drive, but it's not ok to give him a whole parking lot with free cars.

The only one who profits from video tube sites are dating sponsors. All people involved with porn are losing BIG. Content producers, paysite owners, porn affiliates - everyone in the porn industry.

[maniac]

And that's why I promote only paysites with DRM on their videos. I think that all paysite sponsors should start protecting their videos (with DRM, stream, or something else..) . Maybe we should all start promoting only dating sponsors. If the paysite sponsors are not able to protect their content, then why should I promote them?

I realy think that DRM is the solution. And I don't think that DRM is such a big headache for customers. At least it's much much better than giving all your content for free on video tube sites.

Hey wanna watch a full movie check out - http://www.xvideos.com/video2250/ver...eo%2C_enjoy%21

1h 4 mins - that's unbelievable!! Do you really think that a surfer will ever pay for porn again after watching full movies for free? I don't think so.

xvideos.com is run by the XNXX guy, ...you can see a lot of major paysite programs supporting all this. Yeah, the guy runs banners and gets paid for putting full leng movies. Many of the movies are 20-30 min in lenght. That's awesome.

[Bobc01]

Isn't dating sponsors, just the one from what i've seen on many of them.
The trouble with other dating sponsors is they try to be just as ruthless as AFF.
(Registering domains anonymously and using them for spam.)

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