PR Increases

[Mr Spock]

Does anyone know what the maximum increase in PR is every time Google does a PR update?

Is it possible for a site to go from PR0 to PR5 at one update, assuming of course that the site was optimised and had sufficient inbound links?

[Halfdeck]

There's no maximum or minimum. Also don't think your PageRank changes during an update. You won't see any kind of ranking/traffic changes during or after a toolbar update. The only thing changing is what you see on your toolbar. Internal PageRank is updated daily.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Does anyone know what the maximum increase in PR is every time Google does a PR update?

Is it possible for a site to go from PR0 to PR5 at one update, assuming of course that the site was optimised and had sufficient inbound links?

Halfdeck is right on as usual. But, I have seen my toolbar jump from 0 to 4 on first export to toolbar on a few occasions.

[oldbrad]

I have also had free sites that go from 0 to 4 on tbpr updates.

Brad

[Mr Spock]

interesting, so if you have you site optimised correctly you could go from 0 to 4 in one update - and obviously vice versa.

This raises another interesting question, how come few(if any) porn sites have a pr higher than 5.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

interesting, so if you have you site optimised correctly you could go from 0 to 4 in one update - and obviously vice versa.

This raises another interesting question, how come few(if any) porn sites have a pr higher than 5.

My best guess is that it's a trust factor. Would like to hear from the others interested in this topic.

[Halfdeck]

Vanessa Fox Nude, a blog by ex-Googler Vanessa Fox, went from a TBPR 0 to TBPR 7 in one update.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

interesting, so if you have you site optimised correctly you could go from 0 to 4 in one update

I don't think optimization has anything to with PR. Does it? I think it's all about who is linking to you...

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I don't think optimization has anything to with PR. Does it? I think it's all about who is linking to you...

Site structure has a direct effect on pr. It's usually not apparent unless you have a lot of pages.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Maj. Stress

Site structure has a direct effect on pr. It's usually not apparent unless you have a lot of pages.

Can you expound on that? Pretty please.

[oldbrad]

"Site structure has a direct effect on pr. It's usually not apparent unless you have a lot of pages."

I'm also curious. Do you mean if you have tons of pages, each getting pr from outside sources and links, then having a link structure that sends the pr to pages you'd like to try and increase?

As in all the small amounts, over hundreds or thousands of pages, being linked and passing pr to selected pages?

Doing that is one of the ways i got my sites to 3 and 4 with just a few freesites and a very few links pointed to them.

Brad

[Maj. Stress]

I can try but you will prolly be less confused if you follow the link at the end of this post.
First have you ever checked page rank on a sites index and compared, http://www.domain.com with http://domain.com and found they have different page ranks? Afterall it is the same page. The search engines see them differently tho. If for example you have ibl's (inbound links) coming into your site using http:www.domain.com and you use relative linking within your site, you are splitting your page rank. You can boost the pr by using absolute linking if the ibl's are using the full url (http://www.domain.com)

I have figured out it helps to have almost every page with a link pointing back to the index using absolute linking. This way you are telling the bots which is the most important page on the site and not splitting your page rank between http:// and http://www.

Just so I don't confuse you anymore than I already have these links will help. http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank.html (note the part about what internal pages not to link back to the index)
There are a bunch of good articles on this site, (http://www.webworkshop.net/) I especially like the ones about doorway pages. After reading them, I really have to wonder why link list owners do not like pics on html pages. They could boost the pr a bit to your index which is linked to them.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by oldbrad

As in all the small amounts, over hundreds or thousands of pages, being linked and passing pr to selected pages?

Doing that is one of the ways i got my sites to 3 and 4 with just a few freesites and a very few links pointed to them.

That is exactly what I was getting at. More internal pages pointed "home" using your favorite search term in the anchor text.

[oldbrad]

It seems to be working for me and my new little sites.

I link to my sites from my freesites on most pages, as well as nofollowing the sponsor links and try to direct traffic and pr to my sites.

I'm just hoping to get all my pages with a little rank and indexed completely as they grow.

Brad

[Useless]

I was so much happier back when I was ignoring all this SEO mumbo jumbo.

[oldbrad]

I miss the time before the term seo and before the tbpr.

Ah the good ol days

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Maj. Stress

First have you ever checked page rank on a sites index and compared, http://www.domain.com with http://domain.com and found they have different page ranks? Afterall it is the same page. The search engines see them differently tho. If for example you have ibl's (inbound links) coming into your site using http:www.domain.com and you use relative linking within your site, you are splitting your page rank. You can boost the pr by using absolute linking if the ibl's are using the full url (http://www.domain.com)

Adding this to your .htaccess file should solve any diluted pagerank problem. Replace domain.com with your domain of course...

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domain.com [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domain.com/$1 [L,R=301]

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Vanessa Fox Nude, a blog by ex-Googler Vanessa Fox, went from a TBPR 0 to TBPR 7 in one update.

Impossible for an adult site though, the hun only has a PR5 and LOR also PR5. It seems like Google imposes a cap on adult sites PR.

[oldbrad]

It probably has to do with outgoing links as well. Your examples have hundreds or thousands of outgoing which could have an effect despite thousands and thousands of incoming.

Those two sites are also trusted by google and probably get extra favor for it, at least from some Matt Cutts quote a while back.

An equally trusted adult site, which was not a link site, might have a higher pr. Then again, i doubt they would rank higher for se results than gg and others.

fwiw i have seen adult sites that had a pr 7 or so. Clickhereforxxxpix had a 7 i believe.

Brad

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Impossible for an adult site though, the hun only has a PR5 and LOR also PR5. It seems like Google imposes a cap on adult sites PR.

youngsmut.com and PK were both PR 6 earlier this year, both dropped to 5's the same day. I'm better off now that mine has dropped because I've got my keywords back. And prior to being a 6 youngsmut was a 3 with good keywords, actually the raise to a 6 gave me less google traffic than I had with a 3.
Fucked if I know how all of that happened though, I don't even try to figure it out.

[Halfdeck]

I was so much happier back when I was ignoring all this SEO mumbo jumbo.

You're not missing out on much by ignoring SEO. Fixating on SEO can be a distraction.

It seems like Google imposes a cap on adult sites PR.

There's no cap. Google is mainly a collection of algorithms designed to return results searchers are looking for. If users are looking for porn, Google's goal is to return porn, not some .org sex-ed page.

Those two sites are also trusted by google and probably get extra favor for it

Extra favor? Both Matt and Vanessa's blogs link out naturally and have tons of high profile sites linking in and all of the backlinks are counted fully because they're 100% organic. No recip tables, no ABC/ABA link trade emails, no category page trades.

To Google, those kinds of links fall into the category of link spam. If those links were to count in full, their SERPS would be too easy to screw with. Ever since Big Daddy's release, Google's been open about pouring more manpower into detecting and devaluing manipulative links. When a link is devalued, or nullified (in case of rel=nofollow, for example), it passes less PageRank (or no PageRank at all).

Adult sites' inlinks and outlinks are 99% artificial - that's why the TBPRs are so low.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

No recip tables, no ABC/ABA link trade emails, no category page trades.

To Google, those kinds of links fall into the category of link spam. If those links were to count in full, their SERPS would be too easy to screw with. Ever since Big Daddy's release, Google's been open about pouring more manpower into detecting and devaluing manipulative links. When a link is devalued, or nullified (in case of rel=nofollow, for example), it passes less PageRank (or no PageRank at all).

Adult sites' inlinks and outlinks are 99% artificial - that's why the TBPRs are so low.

So basicly you're saying recips hurt more than they do good these days? So if we stop requesting the placement of a recip on a submitter's freesite the freesites submitted to our LL's will get a much better PR but the LL's itself won't profit from it?
And how in the world can one get lot's of high quality ibl's without paying loads of $$$ or doing something in return like linking back to another site (but then you have the ABC thing again)?

[oldbrad]

I meant the hun and LOR being in favor for being trusted and being around so long.

Brad

[Halfdeck]

I meant the hun and LOR being in favor for being trusted and being around so long.

My bad, I misread you.

So basicly you're saying recips hurt more than they do good these days?

Fonz, I think it's a question of balance. I wrote about it here:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=41516

And how in the world can one get lot's of high quality ibl's without paying loads of $$$ or doing something in return like linking back to another site (but then you have the ABC thing again)?

Googlers believe that you can't, unless many people find your site valuable enough to link to it without being asked or paid. Like American Idol, if not enough viewers call in to vote for you, you're voted off the competition. And how do you get people to vote for you? By paying them or sending out vote exchange requests? No, out of all the contestants you gotta become the favorite.

[Halfdeck]

Sometimes, you'll find some interesting stuff in Matt Cutt's comments. Easiest way I found to dig them up is to subscribe to a post.

One guy asks:

Very difficult in the adult industry to get a quality link that isn’t reciprocated!! We do get a lot of natural links just because we’re a quality resource, but other big adult sites would AVOID linking to us, because we’re such a great site

People are talking now that one way links are better, so to work on A->B->C trades, meaning A links to B in return for a C to A link. Since I only have one big site (I know, I’m a radical) and never really like playing these Google games, I’m not concerning myself much with it. Am I stupid to not pay attention to this?

Matt Cutts' response:

Socks Manly, I wouldn’t bother with triangular links or “all one-way links, all the time!” or whatever the link fad du jour is. If your an original content site in the adult industry, why not stop by Tony Comstock’s site, or get to know Chelsea Girl at http://prettydumbthings.typepad.com/ or Violet Blue. Don’t neglect the educational value of getting closer with some of the people in your industry.