What Pisses You Off With Link Lists & Free Sites?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by johnnybg

Too much free porn...

In general? Or the number of pics required for a free site?

Originally Posted by caringneo

...Some of the webmasters who wants to be in GreenGuys good book may call my comments as rubbish. But I though giving an honest opinion will help both LOR and Submitters. ...

I want no one in my good book - my goal here is to hopefully find a happy middle ground where everyone is happy

[johnnybg]

Originally Posted by Greenie

In general? Or the number of pics required for a free site?

I want no one in my good book - my goal here is to hopefully find a happy middle ground where everyone is happy

Didn't really wanted to elaborate, since it's been discussed in lengths on every adult webmaster board and their owners mothers boards, too.

Free content requirements for LLs and TGPs are the main contributors to overwhelming amount of free adult content. So, it's the same issue (general AND local).

I'm not counting here the forums with stolen pics and movies hosted on free image hosting and rapidshare, P2P networks, fusker sites etc. If we complain about these ruining our biz - we should look at ourselves first.

When I look at your "side", I see that if you reduce content requirements to say 10 pics and 30 secs of movies - you WILL lose bookmarkers and traffic AND income. Thats not acceptable for you and neither for me as someone who gets traffic from your site.

Noting short of all LLs lowering the bar at the same time would remotely work. And I'm not sure that would work either. I remember TGP2.

So, and I'm back to making some free sites.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by johnnybg

Free content requirements for LLs and TGPs are the main contributors to overwhelming amount of free adult content. So, it's the same issue (general AND local).

Originally Posted by johnnybg

I'm not counting here the forums with stolen pics and movies hosted on free image hosting and rapidshare, P2P networks, fusker sites etc. If we complain about these ruining our biz - we should look at ourselves first.

this is something I've been thinking of too, and my thoughts are that with all of the 2nd stuff available out there (p2p, sharing etc) and our little 24 pics or 2 minutes of movies it's a wonder anyone comes to our LLs at all

We (freesites & LLs) are such a small drop in the bucket in the free porn market that I really don't think it matters if we have 24 pics or 50. It's all in the sales pitch, not the amount of content. You can get free stuff in so much quantity anywhere, anytime anymore.

that's just my opinion tho

edit to add: that's kind of tied into my previous post about having 4 links out - I'd actually like to see more content allowed (not required, mind you ) along with more links out per page, it would balance out nicely and I'd be willing to offer more content in exchange for more links. Maybe a ratio would be good, instead of a number. But again, it would have to be more than just one or two LL owners that went with it

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by johnnybg

Didn't really wanted to elaborate, since it's been discussed in lengths on every adult webmaster board and their owners mothers boards, too.

Free content requirements for LLs and TGPs are the main contributors to overwhelming amount of free adult content. So, it's the same issue (general AND local).

I'm not counting here the forums with stolen pics and movies hosted on free image hosting and rapidshare, P2P networks, fusker sites etc. If we complain about these ruining our biz - we should look at ourselves first.

When I look at your "side", I see that if you reduce content requirements to say 10 pics and 30 secs of movies - you WILL lose bookmarkers and traffic AND income. Thats not acceptable for you and neither for me as someone who gets traffic from your site.

Noting short of all LLs lowering the bar at the same time would remotely work. And I'm not sure that would work either. I remember TGP2.

So, and I'm back to making some free sites.

I don't think LL and TGP have any of the blame anymore for too much free porn. Even though you don't want to talk about it, I think the rapidshare sites are definitely responsible for the mostly rising ratios.

Years ago I used to look at my stats and see forums sending me hundreds or even thousands of hits a day to my free sites by users linking to them themselves. Nowadays if I go on a forum and link directly to a gallery, even if it has 200 MB (!) of 1 minute clips in it -- all free -- the surfers will come on "What are you kidding? Don't post these little 1 minute clips! SPAM! SPAM!" and then soon I will get banned by the owner [you used ot be welcomed by the forum owners when you did this without going overboard]. They all expect 20 minute videos on rapidshare or megarotic now. You know things are bad when you can't even give the stuff away..... In no way are the linkslists and the TGPs responsible for this debacle anymore. As you hint, if they started going to 10 pictures per site, they would soon lose all their bookmarkers and again, they won't even be able to give the stuff away................

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

I don't think LL and TGP have any of the blame anymore for too much free porn. Even though you don't want to talk about it, I think the rapidshare sites are definitely responsible for the mostly rising ratios.

Years ago I used to look at my stats and see forums sending me hundreds or even thousands of hits a day to my free sites by users linking to them themselves. Nowadays if I go on a forum and link directly to a gallery, even if it has 200 MB (!) of 1 minute clips in it -- all free -- the surfers will come on "What are you kidding? Don't post these little 1 minute clips! SPAM! SPAM!" and then soon I will get banned by the owner [you used ot be welcomed by the forum owners when you did this without going overboard]. They all expect 20 minute videos on rapidshare or megarotic now. You know things are bad when you can't even give the stuff away..... In no way are the linkslists and the TGPs responsible for this debacle anymore. As you hint, if they started going to 10 pictures per site, they would soon lose all their bookmarkers and again, they won't even be able to give the stuff away................

That is sad. These forums should be reported for promoting stolen material though, IMO. I wonder if some sponsors who are being hurt by their stuff being circulated like this would ever sue.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by tigermom

That is sad. These forums should be reported for promoting stolen material though, IMO. I wonder if some sponsors who are being hurt by their stuff being circulated like this would ever sue.

You would be surprised at how many sponsors are the ones posting this material - same as the old password sites where sponsors used to put up "stolen passwords" and link them to special areas of their paysites to get more conversions - heck most of the password sharing sites used to be owned by sponsors

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Linkster

- same as the old password sites where sponsors used to put up "stolen passwords" and link them to special areas of their paysites to get more conversions -

When did this stop working..?