SpaCash worth a try?

[HowlingWulf]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

I'm curious, is this standard? Do other sponsors do this?

First I've heard of it...

So if a surfer signs up for a trial, checks out the members area, decides to upsell to site X and cancel the trial within 4 hours, the sponsor makes money and the affiliate makes 0?

[pelcito]

Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

First I've heard of it...

So if a surfer signs up for a trial, checks out the members area, decides to upsell to site X and cancel the trial within 4 hours, the sponsor makes money and the affiliate makes 0?

It deppends if converts or not.

If you want a piece of every time a surfer spend money, the best is to promote rev share. PPS is a method to get fast money and create a balance between the sponsor and the affiliate.

[CrazySy]

Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

First I've heard of it...

So if a surfer signs up for a trial, checks out the members area, decides to upsell to site X and cancel the trial within 4 hours, the sponsor makes money and the affiliate makes 0?

Or, they join and find out the only thing in the members area is nothing but shitty content!


Yes, Pel and I had a chat on icq and as I mentioned, I am going to leave the webmaster referral issue alone as it was explained to me.

A few of the issues we talked about:

1- In his own words, Pel says he has made "dozens million dollars"

And I say, so did Bernie Madoff!

2- Pel told me I am accusing his company and he also told me I'm using extortion to get money from him.

Now, you can use all those legal words as much as you wish. They are neither scaring me, nor intimidating me and as you know, you can always take legal route and we can have it settled in the court of law.


3- He thinks he is not responsible for his employees action, and I think that's a shitty business. You hire them to represent your company and promote your product & services, and you are responsible for their action.

Now, I am going to skip the rest of what we talked about and jump into the numbers I was talking about.

They claim that all the sales I was not credited for were trials and didn't convert to monthly membership (which is a Pay Per Active program and not PPS), however, all this time, I have had issue figuring the following:

jan- 6 transactions, pps, all canceled with in trial
Why did I get paid for 5 if all 6 canceled?

feb- 21 tranactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 13 if 18 canceled?

march- 13 transactions,pps, 8 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 7 if 8 canceled?

april- 16 transactons, pps, 10 canceled within trial
I got paid for 6

may- 26 transactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 10 if 18 canceled?

june- 12 transactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial
I got paid for 3, what happened to the other 3 that didn't cancel?

july 15 transactions, pps, 10 canceled within trial
I got paid for 4, what happened to the other sale that didn't cancel?

aug- 8 tranactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 4 if 6 canceled?

I have asked a few of the reps including that useless Gerard, did all these cancel within 4 hours? and the answer was "We can not disclose those information" (actually Gerard didn't even fuckin' bother to reply to me). Honest people tell the truth while the dishonest ones hide it.

Nobody answered me when these questions were asked and numbers don't match. I don't trust SpaCash and I stand by everything I have said in the past and will continue to share my experience with anyone who asks about that program.

Time to get back to work now

[Sodo]

Terrible terrible! I don't want to risk not getting paid for my hard earned traffic...good thing I did not spend too much time with them.

Thx CrazySy and sorry for questioning your bad experience this is really really bad!

Kind regards
Sodo

[pelcito]

CrazySy,

The members area are not the same than 4 years ago. I'm not sure where did you subscribe but all our members area are practically the same and you can find unlogged at www.dvdstore.com. Is in fact, one of the biggest DVD archives around. We don't have that bad score on thebestporn or pornusers. We have even better score than many other programs that you promote.

About your breakdown of sales, you were paid that because those were trials that canceled before suscription not before the first 4 hours. That's why i told you that the information Tony gave you was wrong.

I wasn't intimidating you. You ask me for $2000 to compensate you and i told you that no way because there's nothing wrong here and your comments looked to me like extortion. I don’t find a reason why should I compensate you just because you want it when nothing wrong happen. That is simple not fair. You also told me that you were going to tell all the people your experience which is fine and that you're in fact in your right to do so. But what you can't do is to say that we stole from you because that is not true and that is defamation. Simple as that.

We can continue all day long with this issue but honestly tell you that i'm getting fucking bored of fighting with somebody who only wants to see what he wants to see and we are never going to get to a point.

You clearly hate us. I tried to be polite all the time, but ok, I can live with that.

[CrazySy]

Originally Posted by pelcito

CrazySy,

I wasn't intimidating you. You ask me for $2000 to compensate you and i told you that no way because there's nothing wrong here and your comments looked to me like extortion. I don’t find a reason why should I compensate you just because you want it when nothing wrong happen. That is simple not fair. You also told me that you were going to tell all the people your experience which is fine and that you're in fact in your right to do so. But what you can't do is to say that we stole from you because that is not true and that is defamation. Simple as that.

Where did I ask for $2000?

Date : 3/31/2009 Time : 9:53 AM
To : Sy
Oh well, looks like it's going to end here. You have your point of view and I have mine and they
are completely different, All I know is if I had sent that traffic elsewhere I would have made the
money that my traffic deserved which I didn't get paid for thru your company. And if I owned a
company the size of yours, I would have handled this diferently, all for just over $2000.

As you can see, I said "I would have handled this diferently, all for just over $2000.". Could you please point me to where I said give me $2000?


I can't and won't tell people what to do as it's none of my business, I tell them my story and they can make their own desicion.

I am done with this, Sodo asked a question and I answered.

Sodo, no hard feeling man

[pelcito]

Originally Posted by Sodo

Terrible terrible! I don't want to risk not getting paid for my hard earned traffic...good thing I did not spend too much time with them.

Thx CrazySy and sorry for questioning your bad experience this is really really bad!

Kind regards
Sodo

You're not at any risk with us. A lot of people work with us, we have over 2000 active affiliates, 100 million USD paid and over 7 years on several markets. With all are our markets convined we're in fact one of the biggest programs around.

Here he have the same guy with some big hatred telling again the same when has been already clarified just because he can't afford to say "ok, you were probably right" and prefer to be shown as heroe in front of the community. Even if he's not right on what he said.

Just make your own evaluation based on facts and dot not guide only by the words of guy with a high level of emotion on his words.

I don't want to sound arrogant as well, i can understand part of his frustation of not getting reply to his questions in several months. That is complete understood by me as well.

[tickler]

Sure sounds like Pay Per Active to me when you only pay if they continue. PPA programs pay much larger on signups. Just look at all those $100+ webcam programs.

Also all your pages all indicate that the programs are PPS, not PPA.

Earn up to $38 for each $1 trial, regardless of whether your visits take the direct subscription or not. You always get paid $30.

[pelcito]

4 hours is not PPA. Is what most program do under PPS such as Nastydollars.

And you cannot compare webcams with paysite memberships.