I just got bitch slapped by Club-Xstream

[domweb]

Originally Posted by Ramster

I'm not sure what "title or identifying number of the depiction" but not a SINGLE content provider will provide you with "Any name ever used by the performer, including a maiden name, alias, nickname, stage name, or professional name"

Title or Identifying number of the depiction is lawyers speak for the Name, SKU number or other method that the Content Provider uses to distinguish their products from each other. What name shows up on the Invoice is a good place to start.

Example: "Is this video file "Shemale Xtresspass 3" or this this "Lisa Loppers 1"?

Originally Posted by Ramster

You have any idea how many names these girls go through? They change names and aliases all the time. Not to mention webmasters "make up" names for some models all the time to create a web site promoting the model. There is no way for a content provider to know that info. Not even the top pornstar database sites may know all the names a model has used.

I totally agree with the difficulty in aggregating all the name information. I have hung out with more than a few strippers and adult entertainers.

However, any good Model Release Statement will include the name requirement right on the first or second page. This sort of thing has been around FOREVER, working into proof of age documentation long before there was an internet and the only place to see porn was Playboy and strip clubs.

Examples of two Adult Model Releases plucked off the first page for a Google Search of the term "adult model release form 2257":

Model Release from gmpass
Notice the requirements of:
- Legal Name
- Stage Name (if any)
- Alias (if any)
- Maiden Name
- Professional Name
- And two entries for Also Know as and one generic any other name.

Tanda Studios
Notice the requirements of:
- Legal Name
- Stage Name (if any)
- Alias (if any)
- Maiden Name
- Professional Name
- Also Know As

If the model signs his/her name to this document, that is a pretty good piece of armor in court. And if you are new to the business and the Content Provider doesn't have a Model Release Statement for you, run away fast.

It seems to me that maybe some Content Providers didn't gather this info back in the day. I am sorry for them.

But their bad luck and lack of foresight should not equal their customers going to jail.

So any competent adult model release should include this information.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by domweb

However, any good Model Release Statement will include the name requirement right on the first or second page. This sort of thing has been around FOREVER, working into proof of age documentation long before there was an internet and the only place to see porn was Playboy and strip clubs.

Examples of two Adult Model Releases plucked off the first page for a Google Search of the term "adult model release form 2257":

Model Release from gmpass
Notice the requirements of:
- Legal Name
- Stage Name (if any)
- Alias (if any)
- Maiden Name
- Professional Name
- And two entries for Also Know as and one generic any other name.

If the model signs his/her name to this document, that is a pretty good piece of armor in court. And if you are new to the business and the Content Provider doesn't have a Model Release Statement for you, run away fast.

So any competent adult model release should include this information.

Model releases I've seen have exactly what you say but your breakdown above doesn't ask for that. It asks for EVERY alias, maiden name, stage names and the such.

Maybe you should clarify with Martin and other content providers what it is you expect to receive.

Example being "Jana Miartusova" who is also well known as "Nelli Hunter". But she can also be known under these aliases: Nella, Terry Lightspeed, Thereza Llove, Jana Mar

A model release might have her alias as Nelli Hunter rather than her real name (which many pornstar database sites have her listed under) but NONE of the other "aliases". What you are asking for from a content provider they cannot provide hense a reason why they tell you "buy somepleace else, we cannot provide what you need".

I'm not getting on you, just pointing out what you are asking for may be impossible. Noone could know every name, alias, etc of a model. They only know the model's name and the alias they WANT to be known as as she/he tells them as she/he signs the release form.

[domweb]

Originally Posted by Ramster

I'm not getting on you, just pointing out what you are asking for may be impossible. Noone could know every name, alias, etc of a model. They only know the model's name and the alias they WANT to be known as as she/he tells them as she/he signs the release form.

I agree Ramster. But in less than 24 hours I am buying content from a supplier who had no problem meeting my requests.

I think that a good faith effort that pulls together every known alias used by the models on a site is the last thing the Feds feel like wasting time trying to build a case against.

"Excuse me, defendant. You listed the six variation of the performer's name known to you, but we found a name she used in Padoqua, Ohio for a few weeks as a stripper you didn't include."

Some how that doesn't seem like what the root of the problem is.

I have a feeling I would have normally gotten the same great co-operation level from Club Xstream that I was used to if my group list didn't piss him off. If his is pissed about that there was plenty of motivation to tell me what I want is unreasonable.

Or I am fucked in the head. Either is possible.

Ah well. I have more content to purchase. Peace.

[Bill]

Who's providing you with all that?

Like Ram says, there's a standard set of info provided by pretty much all the content suppliers now.

But I have yet to buy from one that gave me everything your lawyer wants.

I suspect whoever says they are, is just making it up, or is pulling your leg, just saying yeah yeah while giving you the standard packet.

But I'd be curious to know of such a provider. And let us know if you get what your lawyer wants.

I don't think this clubxstream declining to sell you content with the requirement that it include your lawyer-list info has anything to do with your group.