I just got bitch slapped by Club-Xstream

[Allfetish]

Yahoo groups aren't really a big deal. I think he is nit picking. True story, one guy laughed at me in the distant past when I showed him my yahoo group.... He said that he wasn't going to trade with a yahoo group.

....then a while later I noticed he was spamming my groups with his links and begging me to approve the messages. He didn't realize owned those groups too.

There is some stolen content but few people know about it. For starters yahoo hides most of the adult groups behind a "firewall" that a user must pass into before adult results are returned n search. There are pictures here and there, but not very much as a rule. Most of the "files" sections where movies are, are just filled with spam. And the clips are usually tiny as yahoo does not allow much.

The guy was just being bitter and petty. Yahoo groups are small potatoes compared to illegal tubes and rapidshare. I'd just give hm the bird and move on to another content provider. There are many content providers starving right now and they'd love someone who would purchase $1000 worth of content from them.

[Allfetish]

BTW, the requirement to get a copy of the photo ID is likely excessive. At best you might want to ask the sponsor to give you a written declaration that they have a copy of the photo ID on file for each performer. rather than asking for a copy. Many won't for privacy reasons.

Disclaimer: I AM a lawyer and you should listen to my advice. (yeah right!)

[dawnkitty]

Club-Xtream also told me to go elsewhere when I was about to buy content, because he doesnt sell to "phone sex workers". I have never had someone refuse my money before. He said "phone sex workers" especially "Niteflirters" (which I am not even one of those) dont know how to follow rules lol

So yes, just go somewhere else who appreciates your business ( I see you already have) Bringing up your yahoo group site ,,,, it should not even have been mentioned as it has nothing to do with it, just like him bringing up my phone sex business, which he only "assumed" is why I was buying the content, had nothing to do with anything.

Originally Posted by Allfetish

Yahoo groups aren't really a big deal. I think he is nit picking.

The guy was just being bitter and petty. Yahoo groups are small potatoes compared to illegal tubes and rapidshare. I'd just give hm the bird and move on to another content provider. There are many content providers starving right now and they'd love someone who would purchase $1000 worth of content from them.

[domweb]

It is nice to know the porn content business is so profitable for him that Club X can afford to turn down business so regularly. (Maybe I am approaching this business from the wrong angle?)

It reminds me of the Seinfield soup nazi, "No Soup for You!"

Well, he may have had good soup (nice pics), but he is not the only dude selling it. I have spent the first five hundred with a few new providers and plan another five to six hundred in buys in the next few days with other new suppliers I have developed relationships with since. (Small potatoes for many, but I am half Irish and will take my potatoes as I can get them).

I love working with serious people who know how to do their jobs well. Polite business relationships where they email me an offer to HELP in any way they can

In the end, I have widened my supplier base and spent the time to select my content from an even bigger pool.

And frankly Yahoo Groups was influential enough to get me my first several sales when I got into the biz, so I ain't giving up on them now. Anyone who thinks that a Group Surfer is just stealing porn has a fundamental confusion about them. It's easier to get free content from a Link List or a TGP than Yahoo Groups. But people love the hunt. And if the hunters didn't buy memberships, few adult webmasters would bother with them.

But what do I know? I am not so successful I can tell people I wont sell to them.

BTW, I am obviously undereducated. I assume a "Niteflirter" is a girl/guy who stays on the line with customers on phone chat lines at night to tease them into staying on a few more minutes? (Pulled that our of the air).

How many rules involving content does such a person have to follow? And why not sell to 'phone sex workers'? Afraid the spoken word is going to replace pictures and video in peoples masturbation library? That is kinda like attacking FM radio because no one will buy CDs anymore.

(The RIAA actually sued to suppress FM radio when it first came out...they said the quality was so good no one would buy vinyl records. The RIAA is obviously very wise.)

[dawnkitty]

LOL at "It reminds me of the Seinfield soup nazi, "No Soup for You!" hahhaa, love it

"Niteflirters" , a phone sex company called Niteflirt, therefore he calls those who work there Niteflirters.

Alot, I would say most, phone sex girls use content instead of their real photos for various reasons, or they may use their real photos and then create other characters using content.

Some phone sex girls are very business savvy also and may buy content for other reasons.

[Lucky_Martin]

I was not planning to bother to reply, but when you keep trying to make me look as negative as you can, I feel I should add a few words as well.

Here is my reply to you again which was the reason for me to suggest you seek your business elsewhere:
Looking at the demands from your lawyer, I think we better not deliver you our shemale sets.
We do have ids and releaseforms of all models that we sell in our store,
but I can not guarantee that they filled out the releaseforms the way your lawyer requests.
For example, they always fill out their stagename but that does not mean they have not used other names in the past.
Then I know for sure that alot of the scans or images we have of the ID's are smaller than the original,
so that would be another item your lawyer would not like.

I mentioned your list of free yahoogroups as a remark, not as the reason, but you prefer to make it look that way.
In your reply you never mentioned you could alter the size of the ID's to meet your lawyer's demands, you only replied to my remark about your yahoogroups.

So you didn't catch me on a bad day, I just felt we could not meet your lawyers demands and I couldn't care less if you list hundreds of free yahoogroups if you feel they help you to make more money in this industry.
I just know that there are better sites to link to which would make you more money.

Martin
Club-Xstream

[Lucky_Martin]

Dawnkitty,

We do not sell to Niteflirters because after dealing with a couple of them who were reselling the images without Niteflirt being very cooperative, the chargebacks some of them made because they forgot they bought content and didn't recognize the overseas transfer from their cc-statement, the times they fail to read the rules and use a free emailaccount anyway, I just felt it would my life a whole lot easier to just have them buy somewhere else.
So it's not because of arrogance that I would not want your business, but because of the many bad experiences I had with Niteflirters (and other PSO's) in the past.
When they are costing you more money, time and effort than they are bringing you, then the choice is very easy.


Martin
Club-Xstream

[domweb]

Originally Posted by Lucky_Martin

Here is my reply to you again which was the reason for me to suggest you seek your business elsewhere:
Looking at the demands from your lawyer, I think we better not deliver you our shemale sets.
We do have ids and releaseforms of all models that we sell in our store,
but I can not guarantee that they filled out the releaseforms the way your lawyer requests.
For example, they always fill out their stagename but that does not mean they have not used other names in the past.
Then I know for sure that alot of the scans or images we have of the ID's are smaller than the original,
so that would be another item your lawyer would not like.[/i]

I mentioned your list of free yahoogroups as a remark, not as the reason, but you prefer to make it look that way.
In your reply you never mentioned you could alter the size of the ID's to meet your lawyer's demands, you only replied to my remark about your yahoogroups.

So you didn't catch me on a bad day, I just felt we could not meet your lawyers demands and I couldn't care less if you list hundreds of free yahoogroups if you feel they help you to make more money in this industry.

I just know that there are better sites to link to which would make you more money.

Okay. Thanks for taking the time to explain it a little more clearly.

Here is my response and I am going to try to be respectful as possible. I know that I am small potatoes to someone like you, but to me Club-X was 70% of my first year's content budget...so you were not small to me. I was very happy with both the content and the service that I received previously, so you can imagine my confusion when one of my best suppliers says no sale.

I wrote about the experience here to see if maybe other webmasters could point out what land mine I had stepped on, not because I was trying to cast you in a negative light.

It is your content business and you can sell or not sell to any damn person you choose. Free market. I respect that.

You obviously have been in the business a lot longer than me and probably know of ways I can generate more quality traffic. So lets set aside the yahoo groups issue. I only brought that up to try explain what I saw as pretty dickish behavior from a businessman I had never had trouble with in the past.

I was willing to write the whole thing off to a bad day. Gods know I have had them.

But you said it wasn't the groups list and it wasn't a bad day.

That leaves me with two options:

1. I have made an unreasonable request.
2. You were being dickish.

Hmmmm. I prefer to think that the answer is number one. I obviously miscommunicated my needs in an unreasonable fashion. So let me try to clarify myself.

Originally Posted by Lucky_Martin

We do have ids and releaseforms of all models that we sell in our store, but I can not guarantee that they filled out the releaseforms the way your lawyer requests. For example, they always fill out their stagename but that does not mean they have not used other names in the past.[/i]

Hmmm. This request is new to you? Am I the only webmaster who has asked for this information that is required in the US Federal law? What do the other webmasters get when they ask for 2257 docs?

I was not asking for your personal affidavit guaranteeing prior knowledge of all of the model's aliases. I was asking for the names and aliases as you where informed of them by the models who signed their name to the paperwork that has a spot for NAME and a spot for STAGE NAME(S) or whatever you choose to call the legal term, "aliases".

I perhaps did not make myself clear.

Is the problem that I am overzealous in my desire to follow my lawyers interpretation of the law and avoid five years plus in jail...or are you under zealous in your responsibilities as a seller of Primary Producer content?

Let's go with me being eager and overzealous. My bad.

Originally Posted by Lucky_Martin

Then I know for sure that alot of the scans or images we have of the ID's are smaller than the original,
so that would be another item your lawyer would not like.[/i]

O.K. You sell photographic content. I would bet my left testicle that you are familiar with photo resolution and programs like Photoshop.

If the resolution of the photo of the ID is good enough to blow up too life size and still be legible, that would count. That is a slight exaggeration, but I think I make my point.

But I don't believe that someone who has run a successful photographic and video content business would miss that.

So I guess maybe you were being dickish.

And now maybe I have been too.

Can we just call a truce and go make money?