Well this was interesting with CCBill

[Toby]

Originally Posted by ecchi

US banks are not as secure as banks in the rest of the world...

Ummm, I don't think so.

Online credit card processing via US banks uses address verification on credit card authorizations. If the billing address you enter isn't the same as the one associated with the account the transaction is declined. This isn't available for non-US credit card accounts.

Originally Posted by RedCherry

I was floored that they didn't allow it at that point to go through.

I have no idea how their system works internally, but there simply may not be any mechanism for overriding that on transaction by transaction basis.

If you haven't already done so you might contact Scarlet Content and see if you can just send them a Payoneer account to account transfer to complete the transaction. They've always been very helpful whenever I've contacted them.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Toby

(WRT:"US banks are not as secure as banks in the rest of the world") Ummm, I don't think so.

OK then, you know more about it than the US banks themselves do. Either that or they are all lying, and they think it will help their businesses to claim that they are not as good as everyone else!

I can understand your sense of patriotism makes you want to defend US institutions, but claiming that statements made by the US banks themselves are untrue, just makes them look worse.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by ecchi

OK then, you know more about it than the US banks themselves do. Either that or they are all lying, and they think it will help their businesses to claim that they are not as good as everyone else!

WTF are you yammering about? Care to give some specific details about who is lying and what exactly they are lying about?

Originally Posted by ecchi

I can understand your sense of patriotism makes you want to defend US institutions, but claiming that statements made by the US banks themselves are untrue, just makes them look worse.

Again, post some specifics with credible sources. Your past history speaks for itself with regard to being anti-US. I'm not being patriotic, I'm correcting misinformation.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Toby

Care to give some specific details

When ePassporte died, I got sick of all the delays I had getting US funds from US banks to UK ones, so in a fit of childishness I wrote to most of them asking (although I worded it more politely than this) "Why are you so crap?" All but one replied to say it was not their fault, but the problem was that because US bank security was so poor, other countries made them jump through so many hoops to prove they were not being used to fund terrorist activity (some were more specific than saying "other countries", I had at least one "Europe" and one "UK").

ALSO: A few years back PayPal set up "PayPal Europe", which was based outside the US. They gave several reasons for this, one of which was that being based in the US made it harder for them to work in Europe because, as Americans, they were seen as "money laundering".

ALSO: There is this thing called "The Internet", take a look at it when you can find the time. Stick to sites you consider reliable and do a bit of research. I did that after I'd got a few replies from the US banks, because I didn't believe them. Turns out they were telling the truth, and most other people (I.E. everyone except me, back then, and you now) already knew this.

Originally Posted by Toby

Your past history speaks for itself with regard to being anti-US.

Actually over here I have a reputation for being too defencive of the US. There are two reasons you, and some other people have the opinion that I am anti US:

Firstly, I am never sycophantic to curry favour, if I think something is wrong with something I'll say it, and not worry if I offend an asshole. And when the thing I think there is something wrong with is the USA, there are plenty of assholes who will be offended, even if I am checkably right.

Secondly, when I do find myself in the company of the more paranoid American I used to take great pleasure in winding them up. I have not done that for many years, but in the past I have taken great delight in "proving" that all American men are worse lovers than British men; all American footballers are gay; and all American soldiers are cowards. However anyone taking such posts seriously has a real problem with reality. Unfortunately lots of people do have serious psychological problems in this area, and I am perversely amused by the number of death threats I have got from such posts!

[housekeeper]

I wish CC would be more diligent with respect to membership sign ups, 9 times out of 10 the criminals that are joining sites with stolen cards are using US address but logging in under foreign IP's. First thing I look at with a new customer is the username and password, then to see if the IP's match up. There have been several times when I've contacted CC about suspected fraud, sometimes they get back, sometimes they don't, my suspicions are normally spot on.