How Far Can We Take It?

kristian · 2003-09-11, 08:38 PM

Okay I'm setting up these projects - one free, one pay - and I really need your input. Assuming you have no personal taboos, how far can we take the content/theme of a site? Obviously, cp and incest are out of the equation.

I basically grew up on a healthy diet of 70s porn flicks, low-buget video nasties, and Starskey and Hutch. Needless to say, I'm more twisted than a politician. I want to put more of my personality into my work, knowing just how far I can take it so - within those boundaries - I don't feel constrained.

I don't want to start another legal debate tho!

Just let me know what you think is totally out - legally speaking.

Extreme John · 2003-09-11, 08:50 PM

Simulated Rape
Torture
Full Bondage With Full Penetration Mix
Snuff Films or Snuff type portrayels

In your area the Laws may be different, the most important thing about being in this business weather large or small is having some proffesional council you can pick up the phone and get some answers from.

GG&J is a great place but I dont believe any of us are lawyers, and even if we were we arent for all area's, and we certainly wouldnt do it for free

Greenguy · 2003-09-11, 08:55 PM

Kristian - what do you have in mind, you twisted bastard?

kristian · 2003-09-11, 09:21 PM

LOL! @ GG Grab a barf bag

Right...how to get into this without totally giving away my game plan?

Hmmm...LOL this is hard... thinking...

BTW -- Extreme John...you're spot on there. The more I get involved, the more necessary legal advice seems. Right now I just play it safe, doing what I know is allowed in the U.S (where I'm hosted) and I'll always keep to U.S laws, but I'll need legal council soon.

GreenGuy...Still thinking

It's gone 2am here, so I'm having to coax my brain to reveal what a total sick fuck I am...but in a subtle way |shocking|

kristian · 2003-09-11, 09:47 PM

Right...I can elaborate easy enough on free porn.

Getting enough submissions is constrained a bit by the niche. Say if I wanted ebony shemale nuns with extreme belly button lint...I mean, no fucker's gonna submit to me! So I guess pretty general stuff would be---

water sports
scat
roman showers
insertions
enemas
religious (nuns)
preggo fucking
double/anal/self fisting
gothic
hairy
midgets
infantilism
bdsm
etc

What are your thoughts on scat, roman showers, fisting?

(thinking how to word pay project

)

Greenguy · 2003-09-11, 09:58 PM

I actually had to look up "Roman Showers" - LOL

I've heard that 4 fingers is of, but the thumb is illegal in some areas as far as fisting goes.

The other stuff, as disgusting as it may be, "should" be legal

kristian · 2003-09-11, 10:26 PM

Thanks Greenguy

Until I told April what it was, she liked the idea of having one installed in the house..

Ramster · 2003-09-11, 10:27 PM

I don't know what it is either and I don't think I wanna know so I'm not looking it up.

Play safe...|rasta|

Cleo · 2003-09-11, 10:39 PM

Quote:

water sports
scat
roman showers
insertions
enemas
religious (nuns)
preggo fucking
double/anal/self fisting
gothic
hairy
midgets
infantilism
bdsm

Ok that is a nice list, but I thought that you had kinky twisted stuff in mind?

And where is the snowballing, but I guess that would be hard to shoot.

Well scat and roman showers are just plain nasty and for some reason getting your whole hand into the act seems to freak out some, I don't get that.

Anyway I was raised by an assortment of very different personalities, which I guess sort of explains me, so I'm probably the last person to give you advice on this, lol.

Yeah ditto on what the GreenGuy said, get a lawyer.

bret · 2003-09-12, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
Ok that is a nice list, but I thought that you had kinky twisted stuff in mind?

And where is the snowballing, but I guess that would be hard to shoot.

Well scat and roman showers are just plain nasty and for some reason getting your whole hand into the act seems to freak out some, I don't get that.

Anyway I was raised by an assortment of very different personalities, which I guess sort of explains me, so I'm probably the last person to give you advice on this, lol.

Yeah ditto on what the GreenGuy said, get a lawyer.

no, snowballing is fucking nasty. any bitch ever does it to me she will be fucking toothless.

and you can take that to the bank. the money bank.

RawAlex · 2003-09-12, 01:22 AM

Kristian: I vote double on the "get a lawyer" thing... I think you might also want to chat with whoever would be processing for your site. I suspect you will see that Visa / Mastercard will have some interesting restrictions for you. Things like scat / watersports are pretty hard to get processing for any more.

Anything non-consentual is very questionable, doubly so if you are doing your "user submitted pictures" concept. Then you start getting into the question of who forced who, etc. Working without model releases is hard, working with potentially non-consentual stuff might negate whatever other solution you have come up with.

If you were in the US, I would suggest a little trip to your local porn store / video store and see what is for sale. That will give you a very good idea what is generally legal in your neighborhood. Not sure what you would do in the UK...

Where are your servers located? That might help you decide how wild or not you can be.

Alex

kristian · 2003-09-12, 05:43 AM

LOL @ Cleo --- you kill me sometimes

Yeah most of that stuff is pretty nasty - and I could never figure out what was wrong with fisting. If you do it right - 4 fingers in, thumb tucked between them, reach up/in - it should be fun...having said that, I wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end!

RawAlex --- You're totally right. Think my best bet is a U.S lawyer as well. They just don't get it in the UK. You mention internet law to solicitors over here and they get that night of the living dead look. I spoke to an internet lawyer over the phone and was no use too.

Okay...I was right to come here before I got too involved. For both the pay & free the themes are 100% consensual. I'll have to tone down the free site, but I reckon I'm good-to-go with the other. I'm not into these things personally (well, occaisionally, I like to fist a midget and cool her down with a roman shower); I find them, in many cases, horrific. I've written horror for years under different names...no, not stephen king

I like --- in this case --- the idea of both shocking and arrousing.

btw...no one's mentioned my primary theme yet

2003-09-11, 08:38 PM	#1
kristian Porn Movie Peddler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Malta (France In Nov) Posts: 1,631	How Far Can We Take It? Okay I'm setting up these projects - one free, one pay - and I really need your input. Assuming you have no personal taboos, how far can we take the content/theme of a site? Obviously, cp and incest are out of the equation. I basically grew up on a healthy diet of 70s porn flicks, low-buget video nasties, and Starskey and Hutch. Needless to say, I'm more twisted than a politician. I want to put more of my personality into my work, knowing just how far I can take it so - within those boundaries - I don't feel constrained. I don't want to start another legal debate tho! Just let me know what you think is totally out - legally speaking.

2003-09-11, 08:50 PM	#2
Extreme John Afro John says: "Touch The Extreme Afro & You'll Be In Extreme Pain!" Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,671	Simulated Rape Torture Full Bondage With Full Penetration Mix Snuff Films or Snuff type portrayels In your area the Laws may be different, the most important thing about being in this business weather large or small is having some proffesional council you can pick up the phone and get some answers from. GG&J is a great place but I dont believe any of us are lawyers, and even if we were we arent for all area's, and we certainly wouldnt do it for free __________________ September 6, 2007

2003-09-11, 08:55 PM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Kristian - what do you have in mind, you twisted bastard? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2003-09-11, 09:58 PM	#6
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I actually had to look up "Roman Showers" - LOL I've heard that 4 fingers is of, but the thumb is illegal in some areas as far as fisting goes. The other stuff, as disgusting as it may be, "should" be legal __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2003-09-11, 10:27 PM	#8
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2003-09-11, 09:21 PM	#4
kristian Porn Movie Peddler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Malta (France In Nov) Posts: 1,631	LOL! @ GG Grab a barf bag Right...how to get into this without totally giving away my game plan? Hmmm...LOL this is hard... thinking... BTW -- Extreme John...you're spot on there. The more I get involved, the more necessary legal advice seems. Right now I just play it safe, doing what I know is allowed in the U.S (where I'm hosted) and I'll always keep to U.S laws, but I'll need legal council soon. GreenGuy...Still thinking It's gone 2am here, so I'm having to coax my brain to reveal what a total sick fuck I am...but in a subtle way \|shocking\|

2003-09-11, 09:47 PM	#5
kristian Porn Movie Peddler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Malta (France In Nov) Posts: 1,631	Right...I can elaborate easy enough on free porn. Getting enough submissions is constrained a bit by the niche. Say if I wanted ebony shemale nuns with extreme belly button lint...I mean, no fucker's gonna submit to me! So I guess pretty general stuff would be--- water sports scat roman showers insertions enemas religious (nuns) preggo fucking double/anal/self fisting gothic hairy midgets infantilism bdsm etc What are your thoughts on scat, roman showers, fisting? (thinking how to word pay project )

2003-09-11, 10:26 PM	#7
kristian Porn Movie Peddler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Malta (France In Nov) Posts: 1,631	Thanks Greenguy Until I told April what it was, she liked the idea of having one installed in the house..

2003-09-12, 01:22 AM	#11
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Kristian: I vote double on the "get a lawyer" thing... I think you might also want to chat with whoever would be processing for your site. I suspect you will see that Visa / Mastercard will have some interesting restrictions for you. Things like scat / watersports are pretty hard to get processing for any more. Anything non-consentual is very questionable, doubly so if you are doing your "user submitted pictures" concept. Then you start getting into the question of who forced who, etc. Working without model releases is hard, working with potentially non-consentual stuff might negate whatever other solution you have come up with. If you were in the US, I would suggest a little trip to your local porn store / video store and see what is for sale. That will give you a very good idea what is generally legal in your neighborhood. Not sure what you would do in the UK... Where are your servers located? That might help you decide how wild or not you can be. Alex

2003-09-12, 05:43 AM	#12
kristian Porn Movie Peddler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Malta (France In Nov) Posts: 1,631	LOL @ Cleo --- you kill me sometimes Yeah most of that stuff is pretty nasty - and I could never figure out what was wrong with fisting. If you do it right - 4 fingers in, thumb tucked between them, reach up/in - it should be fun...having said that, I wouldn't ever want to be on the receiving end! RawAlex --- You're totally right. Think my best bet is a U.S lawyer as well. They just don't get it in the UK. You mention internet law to solicitors over here and they get that night of the living dead look. I spoke to an internet lawyer over the phone and was no use too. Okay...I was right to come here before I got too involved. For both the pay & free the themes are 100% consensual. I'll have to tone down the free site, but I reckon I'm good-to-go with the other. I'm not into these things personally (well, occaisionally, I like to fist a midget and cool her down with a roman shower); I find them, in many cases, horrific. I've written horror for years under different names...no, not stephen king I like --- in this case --- the idea of both shocking and arrousing. btw...no one's mentioned my primary theme yet