1001 questions from a newbie.... me.

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

Useless ..some Tennis later this week?

Can we play in Tortola?

[Star Man]

Originally Posted by Kisa

Oh thanks Wulf! I was beginning to think the only soft stuff was that 80's Cinemax after dark stuff! Emanuelle in Thailand, Emanuelle in Spain, Emanuelle on a Plane.....

Emanuelle was like Saturday morning cartoons for me

[[CF]Rico]

To the Traffic-theme i have some words to say.

Dont but traffic from the bigplayer trafficholder the only one that you can get is crappytraffic. If you start to target the Traffic like niche, country and so on it costs years until the buied traffic is served.


To get a better trafficranking you have to review you account. I got a revied premium account (the best you can get) and yesterday I buied 10 Ks of target-traffic and since yesterday only 32 uniques were send.


So sutch a crap.

[ned02]

Originally Posted by Kisa

Oh thanks Wulf! I was beginning to think the only soft stuff was that 80's Cinemax after dark stuff! Emanuelle in Thailand, Emanuelle in Spain, Emanuelle on a Plane.....

I hope Ned checks back... I made all the changes he and Starman suggested

It's pretty rare that I get invited back to the party

Your site certainly has made some progress.

1- Make a decision. You want a warning page or you don't?
The combined page is too awkward.

2- You have an active link to the header jpg? (sexysaschalogalg.jpg) Lose it or at least link to something that pays.

3- You still seem to think the surfer is reading what you write and actually gives a shit. You have "Up Later Today" on some of your thumbs. Do you really think a guy jerking off is coming back later today? Sell 'em right now or forever hold your peace!

4-Stop trying to be legal and apologetic, dump the 2257.jpg and make it a simple text link to your required 2257.
This stuff about "considered to be legal..." considered by who? Have you been to court already?
It's real nice that you have stated your opinion on illegal porn and that you have zero tolerance, but the question that remains to be answered is: does a judge or jury have tolerance for what you are doing?
Until that question is answered stop trying to apologize for what you are doing and go at full speed ahead.
Your opinion has no weight in a court of law against the background of your actions.
You are in or you are out, there is no in between!

5-What's with the frames? Not necessary, just put up the thumbs above the text links and lure the surfer with just enough action to make him or her want more. Point the way to more with a good sales pitch and hope they click and convert.

6- Ending on a positive note.
You made changes! Way to go! Keep it up! Keep changing the site until it actually sells porn for you.

Good Luck

Just my 2 pea of course!

[Kisa]

1- Make a decision. You want a warning page or you don't?
The combined page is too awkward. I'm really unclear on what is and what isn't legal concerning this.
Do we or do we not need a warning? I can't find a clear answer on this. I do agree that my warning is too big but I'm not comfortable with removing it completely.

2- You have an active link to the header jpg? (sexysaschalogalg.jpg) Lose it or at least link to something that pays.
Thanks this was actually an oversight.

3- You still seem to think the surfer is reading what you write and actually gives a shit. You have "Up Later Today" on some of your thumbs. Do you really think a guy jerking off is coming back later today? Sell 'em right now or forever hold your peace!
yeah, I talk a good game of not caring what people think but I obviously have some twisted need to please...

4-Stop trying to be legal and apologetic, dump the 2257.jpg and make it a simple text link to your required 2257.
This stuff about "considered to be legal..." considered by who? Have you been to court already?
It's real nice that you have stated your opinion on illegal porn and that you have zero tolerance, but the question that remains to be answered is: does a judge or jury have tolerance for what you are doing?
Until that question is answered stop trying to apologize for what you are doing and go at full speed ahead.
Your opinion has no weight in a court of law against the background of your actions.
You are in or you are out, there is no in between!
Again, the link to the jpg was a mistake so thanks. As for the rest, I think my choice of content basically speaks for itself. So, I would agree that the extra text is not necessary.

5-What's with the frames? Not necessary, just put up the thumbs above the text links and lure the surfer with just enough action to make him or her want more. Point the way to more with a good sales pitch and hope they click and convert.
Well, this will evolve as I gather more content but it is actually the one thing for which I've actually received positive (feedback from all five of my regulars/friends) hahahaha Anyway for now, the frames help me keep it simple.

6- Ending on a positive note.
You made changes! Way to go! Keep it up! Keep changing the site until it actually sells porn for you. Thanks, your input has been helpful. Everyone's input has been really helpful. I know I have a long way to go but I'm going to keep on keepin' on)

[ned02]

Originally Posted by Kisa

1- Make a decision. You want a warning page or you don't?
The combined page is too awkward. I'm really unclear on what is and what isn't legal concerning this.
Do we or do we not need a warning? I can't find a clear answer on this. I do agree that my warning is too big but I'm not comfortable with removing it completely.

There is nothing in law that I could find that says you need to have a warning page.
If you feel you really need a warning then run it in a thin line across the top of the page.

Originally Posted by Kisa

3- You still seem to think the surfer is reading what you write and actually gives a shit. You have "Up Later Today" on some of your thumbs. Do you really think a guy jerking off is coming back later today? Sell 'em right now or forever hold your peace!
yeah, I talk a good game of not caring what people think but I obviously have some twisted need to please...

Please the surfer by doing. Less talk and more porn.

Originally Posted by Kisa

5-What's with the frames? Not necessary, just put up the thumbs above the text links and lure the surfer with just enough action to make him or her want more. Point the way to more with a good sales pitch and hope they click and convert.
Well, this will evolve as I gather more content but it is actually the one thing for which I've actually received positive (feedback from all five of my regulars/friends) hahahaha Anyway for now, the frames help me keep it simple.

If the frames are helping you keep it simple, then I get the feeling you have no CMS (content management system).
If you are going to stay in this game for long you are going to have to get your feet wet with some sort of system real soon.

[MrMaryLou]

Kisa, I gotta ask after all the great information you have been given why would you submit this as a free site? to http://sexysascha.com/free181/swedishteen/ It's not a free site at all.

[HowlingWulf]

That's almost a TGP gallery, only the recips should be on top.
As a TGP gallery, the sponsor links should stand out, I had to actually mouse around to look for it in the left-side post-it note.

Visit the sites you're about to submit to if you're unsure what a freesite or TGP gallery is...

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by MrMaryLou

Kisa, I gotta ask after all the great information you have been given why would you submit this as a free site? to http://sexysascha.com/free181/swedishteen/ It's not a free site at all.

Well, It's not a freesite in the traditional 1,2,3 page sense. It's one page with the recips right there. What I've done is I'm no longer featuring anything I submit on my entrance page. It's only a page for that website. I've actually had very positive feedback from this link in the sense it's very simple. Here's a comparison:

As a surfer, which one do you want to see?

(and I just pulled this randomly from Starman's site so please I'm not meaning to offend)

http://www.crazyfetishporn.com/frees...x/matureadult/


or

http://sexysascha.com/free181/swedishteen/

and

http://sexysascha.com/free146/milfcreampieeuropean/



If you hate it, it's okay. And now maybe everyone will ban me but for those who have listed them, they do quite well. I'm doing my best to be very transparent and I'm not trying to cheat anyone but I do think there is some room for flexibility and change. IMHO The main complaint I heard from asking guys on blogs and other random boards not designed for webmasters and my own circle of guy friends is that they hated having to click through seven different pages (their words not mine).

As far as my main site goes, again it's not really any different than others who submit (see above site I listed). Everyone's is a little different but mine is certainly not my main focus. I would rather focus on the pages I submit since no one really visits my homepage. Mostly, they visit the submitted pages and to date, my blog is my number two referrer and those readers aren't going to the main page either as I put up special posts for them.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not trying to 'trick' anyone or submit to someone who doesn't want me. And I promise to take you off my list and not bother you again. I think it would be sad if others who have accepted me now reject me since my unique visits from those sites are quite high which means the surfer is going back to the referrer as well... which I think is a win win..... But I attest that I am new so I don't pretend to know anything and I'm definitely not trying to crowd into anyone's space. If you think your surfers will hate my pages, then you should ignore me but if you think they will actually like them then it's worth it to consider some flex in the 'rules.'

Thanks-

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Kisa

As a surfer, which one do you want to see?

Are you here to give away free porn or make sales?

Originally Posted by Kisa

If you think your surfers will hate my pages, then you should ignore me but if you think they will actually like them then it's worth it to consider some flex in the 'rules.'

It is your responsibility to read each site's rules, surf them a bit and figure out what they actually list instead of ignoring it all because you think that your page is special or different or somehow better even though you are fully aware of your own inexperience. What you don't realize is that the current rules (no quotes necessary), whether you agree with them or not, actually give you a ton of advertising area before you hand-away the free porn.

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Are you here to give away free porn or make sales?

Out of the links I posted, does one make you want to visit the sponsor more than the other? If I'm getting unique visits, I would think eventually that person will tire of the preview. If I wanted to give porn away, then I would just buy a membership myself and start posting a bunch of free movies which is kind of what spankwire does... but I don't think the guy running spankwire is giving it away even though it sort of seems like he is.... I don't know... I don't really understand sites like spankwire.

Am feeling a bit beat on right now... I'm nice. Please don't beat on me....

[MrMaryLou]

Originally Posted by Kisa

Well, It's not a freesite in the traditional 1,2,3 page sense. It's one page with the recips right there. What I've done is I'm no longer featuring anything I submit on my entrance page. It's only a page for that website. I've actually had very positive feedback from this link in the sense it's very simple. Here's a comparison:

As a surfer, which one do you want to see?

(and I just pulled this randomly from Starman's site so please I'm not meaning to offend)

http://www.crazyfetishporn.com/frees...x/matureadult/


or

http://sexysascha.com/free181/swedishteen/

and

http://sexysascha.com/free146/milfcreampieeuropean/



If you hate it, it's okay. And now maybe everyone will ban me but for those who have listed them, they do quite well. I'm doing my best to be very transparent and I'm not trying to cheat anyone but I do think there is some room for flexibility and change. IMHO The main complaint I heard from asking guys on blogs and other random boards not designed for webmasters and my own circle of guy friends is that they hated having to click through seven different pages (their words not mine).

As far as my main site goes, again it's not really any different than others who submit (see above site I listed). Everyone's is a little different but mine is certainly not my main focus. I would rather focus on the pages I submit since no one really visits my homepage. Mostly, they visit the submitted pages and to date, my blog is my number two referrer and those readers aren't going to the main page either as I put up special posts for them.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not trying to 'trick' anyone or submit to someone who doesn't want me. And I promise to take you off my list and not bother you again. I think it would be sad if others who have accepted me now reject me since my unique visits from those sites are quite high which means the surfer is going back to the referrer as well... which I think is a win win..... But I attest that I am new so I don't pretend to know anything and I'm definitely not trying to crowd into anyone's space. If you think your surfers will hate my pages, then you should ignore me but if you think they will actually like them then it's worth it to consider some flex in the 'rules.'

Thanks-

Let me just say this you post for advice and don't take it so good luck.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Kisa

Am feeling a bit beat on right now... I'm nice. Please don't beat on me....

I am not beating on you and I have no intention of beating on you. I don't beat on newbies or other people for making honest mistakes or even blatantly disagreeing with me. I'm nice too - most people here are. My purpose here is to teach you how to do this correctly. That way, you make sales and you don't get yourself banned from link lists because you are submitting pages that they'd never list.

Originally Posted by Kisa

Out of the links I posted, does one make you want to visit the sponsor more than the other?

The thumbs on your galleries don't even make me want to watch the movies, let alone check out the tour. They're crap, and quite possibly make the surfer assume that the clips - and perhaps all of that sponsor's content - are crap too.

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Are you here to give away free porn or make sales?
It is your responsibility to read each site's rules, surf them a bit and figure out what they actually list instead of ignoring it all because you think that your page is special or different or somehow better even though you are fully aware of your own inexperience. What you don't realize is that the current rules (no quotes necessary), whether you agree with them or not, actually give you a ton of advertising area before you hand-away the free porn.

I do read the rules. Not everyone says your freesite should have one, two, three pages. Some do. Some don't. Some say that but then they decided they like mine. C'mon. I hardly think mine is better. It's just mine. I wouldn't even say it's different. It's a free page, with porn and recips. That's it. It's a link that can or cannot be given to someone's patrons. That's all. And as far as advertising goes, I'd have to see hard numbers on those extra pages. My own, lame experience in the world of advertising would say the ROI is very low for those.... and I'm not being sarcastic... People still advertise in newspapers but the numbers aren't there. It's a waste but people still do it.... I would tell people, don't do it. If you're not going to buy TV time, then do direct mail. NO- that's stupid they would say. whatever. I go by the numbers and the numbers always always won out. Direct always stomped on newspaper but newspaper was the norm, so some just thought they had to stick with it.

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by MrMaryLou

Let me just say this you post for advice and don't take it so good luck.

But I did and I am still taking advice. I changed every single thing that was recommended I change.

I've only submitted a couple of pages. I'm still learning that part.

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I am not beating on you and I have no intention of beating on you. I don't beat on newbies or other people for making honest mistakes or even blatantly disagreeing with me. I'm nice too - most people here are. My purpose here is to teach you how to do this correctly. That way, you make sales and you don't get yourself banned from link lists because you are submitting pages that they'd never list.

The thumbs on your galleries don't even make me want to watch the movies, let alone check out the tour. They're crap, and quite possibly make the surfer assume that the clips - and perhaps all of that sponsor's content - are crap too.

But you also look at it every single day. I'm also still testing different sponsors but I've been digging through the freepages and maybe we're the lowest of the low but there's far worse crap than mine. There are the sponsors free pages which I can duplicate but I thought the idea was to not duplicate their pages? Am not arguing. Only trying to understand...

[Kisa]

Okay, I'll build three pages. Here's my question: what should the main url have on it? Everyone says freesite but no one has one site, with a single url that they put up once just for one submit. So if bobsblowjobs.com wants to submit a free site, he builds his bobsblowjobs.com/freesite/ page... etc... so my question is, what should bobsblowjobs have on his homepage? Links to all the freepages?

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by Kisa

Okay, I'll build three pages. Here's my question: what should the main url have on it? Everyone says freesite but no one has one site, with a single url that they put up once just for one submit. So if bobsblowjobs.com wants to submit a free site, he builds his bobsblowjobs.com/freesite/ page... etc... so my question is, what should bobsblowjobs have on his homepage? Links to all the freepages?

You can make anything you want from bobsblowjobs.com, make it a landing page, a hub for your freesites, a page with nothing but banners to sponsors, a big picture of me, ...

The general idea to get traffic to that page is to NOT submit that page to LL's but place links to bobsblowjobs.com on the FOUR page freesites you make.

So in general you build a bobsblowjobs.com/freesite/ that you submit to the LL's. And through links on those freesites you promote your main site and other sponsors.

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by Fonz

You can make anything you want from bobsblowjobs.com, make it a landing page, a hub for your freesites, a page with nothing but banners to sponsors, a big picture of me, ...

The general idea to get traffic to that page is to NOT submit that page to LL's but place links to bobsblowjobs.com on the FOUR page freesites you make.

So in general you build a bobsblowjobs.com/freesite/ that you submit to the LL's. And through links on those freesites you promote your main site and other sponsors.

Thank you. That's what I thought and what I was doing... just my freesites don't have the standard layout. Just trying to simplify...

I like the idea of putting a big picture of you on my main page. Would probably generate more traffic)

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by Kisa

Thank you. That's what I thought and what I was doing... just my freesites don't have the standard layout. Just trying to simplify...

I like the idea of putting a big picture of you on my main page. Would probably generate more traffic)

Your freesites aren't freesites, they are galleries, you submit those to TGPs, not to Linklists

[HowlingWulf]

You mention for those that have listed them, they do quite well. What do you base that on? Hits? Sales? What?

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by Fonz

Your freesites aren't freesites, they are galleries, you submit those to TGPs, not to Linklists

Oh my gosh. Thank you! Okay, maybe I'm slightly retarded but I finally get the difference in submitting. There was a disconnect in my understanding the difference in the submissions.

Okay, I understand now... thank you thank you thank you....sigh.... |love|

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

You mention for those that have listed them, they do quite well. What do you base that on? Hits? Sales? What?

Oh, only in unique visits. I'm really just brand new as in 2 1/2 weeks and I wouldn't even count that whole 2 1/2 weeks because the first two weeks of that, I was beyond lost. But I am surprised by the unique visits and the traffic generated by a couple of the same sites.... Look- I want to be an asset not an ass I'm really working on it...

[HowlingWulf]

Ok, so how many uniques do you think is 'quite well'?
For me, a TGP gallery does 'good' at 50k uniques and 'great' at 100k uniques.
Do you know your CTR (Click-Through-Ratio)? In other words, what % of uniques from your gallery click through to your sponsor(s)?

[Star Man]

Fonz pretty much nailed it.Let me attempt to break it down for you as well just to drive it home.After all,repetition is the best way to learn something new.

For now on,let's refer to your main site http://sexysascha.com/ as your hub.On this page you don't have to follow any rules so you can do whatever your little heart desires although I recommend keeping your current design or something similar because it looks great.

Now let's move on to free sites and galleries.

This http://sexysascha.com/free181/swedishteen/ is called a gallery.TGP's list these.Surfers click through these quickly and usually pass up or don't even notice your advertisement.It takes LOT'S of traffic to benefit from these types of pages.

This
http://www.crazyfetishporn.com/frees...x/matureadult/ is a 'mini site' called a free site.Link lists list these.Surfers have to do a bit of surfing before they get to the porn.It's sort of like saying 'heres your porn...but first the bullshit! The bullshit is where you make your money!

Most everyone at this board is into mostly building and listing 'free sites' like the one I listed above.Although every 'free site' has it's own unique look and design,they all maintain a standard structure to them - a waring page, a main page, and 2 or more galleries. This never changes.

Originally Posted by Kisa

..my own circle of guy friends is that they hated having to click through seven different pages (their words not mine).

Were the ones with the free porn here and were running the show so if we feel like making surfers go through 5 pages of bullshit to get to the porn not only are they going to like it,their going to beg for seconds!Were calling the shots here!We got em by the balls and their credit cards!