This so called "businessman" disgusts me...

[fringe]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=345646&s=

I posted this because business owners who tell their current and potential customers to go fuck themselves should not be in business.

Don't do business with this idiot.

[Ramster]

No chance of doing biz with that ass. Charging extra?

[Cleo]

Been so long since I've been to GYF that I had to register again.

Anyway I would never do business with the ******** spamming idiots. I find it embarrassing that I even live in the same state as they do.

[Surfn]

I need to register to see the link. If it's SoBe than nuff said

[finnbear]

Here's the stupid question of the day:

I have seen the name ******** but I don't know anything about it. Anybody wants to tell more?

Ain't GFY are owned by Lensman? I don't usually rant about sponsors on boards but I'm one of the foreign webmasters whom he didn't pay. I heard it's his business practise. Pay for US webmasters, forget foreigners.

I just remind that one day I come to USA and they sell baseball bats there and I'm going to be there long enough to visit his office.

[Cleo]

They are a content provider out of Miami Florida.

They are also multi personality spammers and idiots that have gotten themselves banned out many boards.

[finnbear]

Thanks Cleo.

I clicked that thread link but as I'm not registered I cannot read it. I'm not going to register to GFY. Maybe stupid, but we finns are proud and stubborn people and we have memory as long as elephants.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Cleo
They are also multi personality spammers and idiots that have gotten themselves banned out many boards.

...including this one

[plateman]

You talking about the lensman that has adult.com ??

[Jim]

We touched on this a little on the radio last night. Again, other than people that have not been through this all before, the only people telling you the sky is falling is people that have something to gain. Charging for proper documentation is only one way to profit from this fear.

[Cleo]

GYF is Lensman's board.

We are talking about a thread on his board about ********.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Jim
We touched on this a little on the radio last night. Again, other than people that have not been through this all before, the only people telling you the sky is falling is people that have something to gain. Charging for proper documentation is only one way to profit from this fear.

Exactly Jim!! Cocksuckers!!

[RawAlex]

You will notice you don't have to scroll too far down to start finding the vultures offering up their "2257 solutions" and "methods to comply with the new rules"...

people trying to get in the middle so they too can make bank on the panic.

Panic away.

Alex

[GunnCat]

This is the original thread:

Topic: ******** is charging for Model IDs
We are doing this to protect the integrity of the ******** collection.

Those of you that choose to purchase the documentation can rest assure that this decision makes your content more valuable than it would be if we decided to give them away for free.

Let the bombs fall. That is our policy and we are sticking to it.

Peace.

http://www.********.com/dvd/dvdindex.htm

His reply to a bunch of users bashing him for being a n0rd:

You have a choice. Get the content in bulk for about 10 dollars a set. Or get the content in bulk with IDs for 15 dollars a set.

Would you prefer I just not give the option to get the content without IDs and more affordable? I know that almost all of the webmasters who cry about the IDs never opt to purchase them.

They go for the 10 dollar sets. It is a choice. Besides, what other content providers sell great content like ******** has for just 10 dollars? Who? Even with the service charge for the IDs ******** is still the most affordable content provider out there.

You all just love drama. And I am here as always to give it toyou. But this is really not news. I have been offering this option to webmasters for years. None of them ever choose to get the IDs. Now that you all think you will Have to have them you want them for free.

More later...

The price for everything is ngo...

I ask for 5 dollars per ID per set.. If you have 200 sets then that is 1000 dollars. I am willing to make deals on that price but you will not get them for free. Sorry. :-)


I still love all you guys. Those who have purchased the IDs know they got something special. And that is the point.

Then he goes on a rant about how webmasters ruined the content business:

I have the best of intentions really. In the long run it is the correct thing to do.

You will see in the future that I am correct - as usual. For how long have you guys been talking trash about ******** but I am still here. Still producing, now selling DVDs.

Read the threads there are some good people here who agree with me. They say it is right and a good idea. And I know it is.

You guys who got this incredible ******** Collection for next to nothing - those days are now over. You had your time to make your money with them. If you were to lazy to get off your ass it is not my problem.

If you want to continue using them and you want the IDs you will have to pay for them. Anyone who paid 5000 dollars for the content bulk deal will get the docs for free. Most of you got it for 1000 or less. The collection is worth 20 thousand but this market is so fucked up and everyone knows it.

It all started with J$ doing Content Blowouts. ******** did not ruin the market. You guys did. You all wanted cheap deals or you would not buy. Now you nickeled and dime us content providers to death until we are lifeless. Fuck You ! Fuck all of you punks out there who want nothing more than to see every content provider here penniless and broke selling exclusives for 200 each. FUCK YOU.

The list of content providers now gone is long. Let me run off a few, Phoenix, L and M, AdultContentca, Reyko,, and there are many more. ******** is still here. Still paying my bills and making me money. STILL because of the decisions I made that my competitors could not and now they are gone. This is just one more of those decisions. I don't care if you like it or not. This is one of the decisions I must make to secure my future.

Etc... You get the point.

[Opti]

Never ever thought I would post anything in defense of Eric the Idiot from ********.. but...

If he always offered the option of buying the IDs with content... and is simply maintaining that policy, I can't see why people are complaining or accusing him of profiteering from panic... maybe if he had put the price up now.. but he hasn't has he?

[pornrex]

"... From a Newbie at GG & J..."

I've only been in this business since Nov '03. At first it was very part-time (I don't know of ANY webmaster that started out BANG full-time right away) because I was feeling my way around still.

But as time went by, I came to realize that the ALMIGHTY attitude (ALL of the 'so-called' webmasters basically live in GFY-land have this trait) they posses, well, they can 'collectively' keep it.

I have been coming back here more and more simply because all you guys and gals have given great tips, good advice, and even in some cases tough love.

Everything I have learned has been from GG & J's message board.

Everything new, cool, do's, don'ts, its all here. It has been extremely helpful, I have improved and I will continue to improve.

There's no need to blah blah blah about those blah blah blobs in GFY-land.

GG&Jim's as I like to call it rocks. Period. End of story.

Keep 'em cummin,' right?!

I gotta go.





|twinkle|ggandj|twinkle

[GunnCat]

Originally posted by Opti
Never ever thought I would post anything in defense of Eric the Idiot from ********.. but...

If he always offered the option of buying the IDs with content... and is simply maintaining that policy, I can't see why people are complaining or accusing him of profiteering from panic... maybe if he had put the price up now.. but he hasn't has he?

I think he should provide the IDs if the law passes. People buy content expecting it to be legal. Paying extra for it to be legal stinks. Doesn't much matter to me, I don't have any of their content, and after reading this would doubt if I would buy any.

[Ramster]

Originally posted by GunnCat
I think he should provide the IDs if the law passes. People buy content expecting it to be legal. Paying extra for it to be legal stinks.

EXACTLY!!! It should be illegal for him to sell us content that doesn't follow under the law. His prices are good so simply put the prices up a bit. Then noone would complain.

He an idiot for the way he does business.

[Useless]

What do you do with a guy who has two separate price plans? One for those running a legal shop and a second for those who are running from the law.

His best threads are the ones where he makes outrageous claims like '******** - Content Provider of the year'.

Personally, I'd like to see Paul Markham bitch-slap Sobe.

[Opti]

Originally posted by GunnCat
I think he should provide the IDs if the law passes. People buy content expecting it to be legal. Paying extra for it to be legal stinks. Doesn't much matter to me, I don't have any of their content, and after reading this would doubt if I would buy any.

Agree it takes a certain sort of person to work how he does... but, unless I don't have the full story, he really does seem to be acting within reasonable ethics to me.

He says there was an option to buy his full catalog for $1000 or for $5000 and the more expensive version was higher quality and included docs.. I realise there was no imperitive to pay 5 times the amount for docs 12 months back.. but it was still a choice the buyer had.

Just because it turns out that higher prices turned out to be the better choice for American's doesnt make it Eric's bad.. in fact it makes me think he is probably a bit smarter than we give him credit for a times if this was part of his business plan with that cheap content run to start with.

he made a bet that he could get market share with cheap prices and webmasters might have to come back one day to buy those docs and make his profit back up.

Not arguing it's a sleazy plan if that was the plan.. but I don't see any reason why he should give anyone the extras for free now legally or even ethically... It was the webmaster's choice to deal with that idiot,... they paid low prices happilly with no documents.. whining that that it is illegal now just makes me want to laugh. If webmasters didnt give a toss about really finding out if the model was of age then....... it's hard to feel sorry for them now Im afraid.

Now all that is assuming Eric is telling the truth and really always has charged extra for docs. If he is just twisting it that way now... I take it all back ;-)

[amadman]

I don't know anything about these guys but from what I am reading I agree with Opti.

If it did cost $5 when they original purchased then I don't see a problem with is still costing $5.

On the other hand if this all does go into effect then he should drop the without docs option and price.