Link Lists - Forgotten Why?

Wazdom · 2007-01-27, 07:53 PM

Heya, my first ever post here .. well this url anyway

I did something I haven't done in YEARS! I built a free site and HAND submitted to over 200 LL's.

Which brings me to the point of this post ..

Have Link List webmasters forgotten the reasons why they opened a link site?

I am starting to think so with many of the LL sites I visited. A well built ultra clean free site should not be a exercise in walking across hot coals to get listed. Even getting to the submit form in some cases is a hellish exercise.

Whats google going to find stronger, LL with 1000 return links, or LL with 10000 return links?

A link list is about lots of links? No? you need as many links as you can get your hands on IMHO ... so why make it so hard to build your LL?

I can't help but think many webmasters have forgotten why they built a link list.

ponygirl · 2007-01-27, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

I built a free site and HAND submitted to over 200 LL's...
Have Link List webmasters forgotten the reasons why they opened a link site?

That's too many. Half of those link list owners have probably forgotten they even have a link list.

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

A link list is about lots of links? No?

no, that's not all it's about.

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

I can't help but think many webmasters have forgotten why they built a link list.

It wasn't to list a bunch of re-directing, spammy, sneaky, crappy sites. If we didn't get so many of those, maybe it would be easier to get listed. (not saying that yours are, just saying that's sometimes why it seems like you have to jump thru hoops to get listed)

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

I did something I haven't done in YEARS!

things have probably changed a bit since then

SheepGuy · 2007-01-27, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

Heya, my first ever post here .. well this url anyway

I did something I haven't done in YEARS! I built a free site and HAND submitted to over 200 LL's.

Which brings me to the point of this post ..

Have Link List webmasters forgotten the reasons why they opened a link site?

I am starting to think so with many of the LL sites I visited. A well built ultra clean free site should not be a exercise in walking across hot coals to get listed. Even getting to the submit form in some cases is a hellish exercise.

Whats google going to find stronger, LL with 1000 return links, or LL with 10000 return links?

A link list is about lots of links? No? you need as many links as you can get your hands on IMHO ... so why make it so hard to build your LL?

I can't help but think many webmasters have forgotten why they built a link list.

Might be an idea to post the url of your freesite. If I like it I'll link it, even without a recip.

Greenguy · 2007-01-28, 12:10 AM

Aside from having trouble finding some of the submit pages

what rules did you come across that you thought were out of line?

Wazdom · 2007-01-28, 04:23 AM

hi there ponygirl, been the same answers for over a decade now, you missed my point

SheepGuy thanks mate, I don't like posting this work on boards for many reasons, but I've added your LL to my list and you'll get some submits (about once a week)

GG is that a leading Q or what |shocking| OK .. I have two pet hates ..
1) I love gmail .. the only spam free addy I've ever had .. a webmasters best friend IMHO .. and I can't let my server deal with that

anymore (yes I pay for my own hosting and have unlimited email) .. so I now use gmail .. this is a problem for many sites, including link-o-rama.com .... grr
2) Enforced cat recip link .. mate this is a nightmare for webmasters that work in more than one or two niches

.. I think it will knock LL's out of some very good webmasters list because its to difficult to deal with

Receptor · 2007-01-28, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

1) I love gmail .. the only spam free addy I've ever had .. a webmasters best friend IMHO .. and I can't let my server deal with that

anymore (yes I pay for my own hosting and have unlimited email) .. so I now use gmail .. this is a problem for many sites, including link-o-rama.com .... grr

Why don't you create an email on your host - e.g: linklists@yourhost.com and forward it to your gmail email address. So when you submit a page on LL use this email and webmasters will add your site but still you will get emails in gmail inbox

I hope you understand what I mean

MrYum · 2007-01-28, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Receptor

Why don't you create an email on your host - e.g: linklists@yourhost.com and forward it to your gmail email address. So when you submit a page on LL use this email and webmasters will add your site but still you will get emails in gmail inbox

I hope you understand what I mean

That's a very easy and seamless fix for the mail issue

As to category recips, been that way for a long time now. With a bit of organization, not all that difficult to keep up with either, since the vast majority of link sites have no problems with well crafted custom recips. Some like myself, actually prefer custom recips...providing the anchors remain intact.

There was a time I was submitting 3 sites/day across 3 niches...wasn't all that horrible to keep up with recip changes, because anchors in recips only change rarely.

Frankly, those are pretty 'soft' complaints in the big scheme of things. Yes, the learning curve in the beginning can be a bit arduous. But once learned, it's not tough at all to build free sites that are accepted nearly anywhere

ponygirl · 2007-01-28, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

hi there ponygirl, been the same answers for over a decade now, you missed my point

sorry, it was a long day...what was your point then? That it never changes?

Useless · 2007-01-28, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

hi there ponygirl, been the same answers for over a decade now, you missed my point

Ponygirl has been missing your point for a decade now. That's terrible, I'm sorry.

Greenguy · 2007-01-28, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

...GG is that a leading Q or what |shocking| OK .. I have two pet hates ..
1) I love gmail .. the only spam free addy I've ever had .. a webmasters best friend IMHO .. and I can't let my server deal with that

anymore (yes I pay for my own hosting and have unlimited email) .. so I now use gmail .. this is a problem for many sites, including link-o-rama.com .... grr
2) Enforced cat recip link .. mate this is a nightmare for webmasters that work in more than one or two niches

.. I think it will knock LL's out of some very good webmasters list because its to difficult to deal with

If that's the 2 major problems, then us LL's are doing ok

I think both these issues have been addressed by Receptor & MrYum, but let me add....

1 - There was a time when free email addy's were allowed, but like a lot of things that have legit uses, it was abused by a number of people. It's just easier for LL owners to track down people that use an email address on a domain that they own.

2 - It's a bit of a shitty reason, but you really should be looking at the recips every now & then anyway & grabbing the coding from the pages as you never know when someone like me will do a mass search & replace on the recips (like I did 4 days ago) & change something in all of them

Bill · 2007-01-28, 11:25 AM

Are you the old Wazdom? I haven't seen that nick in a while.

You do seem to be an aussie.

Yeah, things have changed a lot, from the old days.

Linkster · 2007-01-28, 11:49 AM

Waz - LTNS

Didnt I see a submit come in a few days back from you? Or maybe my mind is getting old like the rest of me

Preacher · 2007-01-28, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

I did something I haven't done in YEARS! I built a free site and HAND submitted to over 200 LL's...

Am I the only one here who sees a post with submission numbers like this and ends up feeling like a total loser for not seeing that submit in our own queue? |confused|

SheepGuy · 2007-01-28, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Preacher

Am I the only one here who sees a post with submission numbers like this and ends up feeling like a total loser for not seeing that submit in our own queue? |confused|

Nope

oldbrad · 2007-01-28, 05:55 PM

havent seen the name in years either. I was away for a while as well and am trying to get used to the way things are now as well.

Category recips instead of the old "other link lists" page or the standard site name link on freesites. It does take some getting used to at first, but if you make enough templates and seperate them by niche and have them all ready with proper recips, you shouldn't have a problem.

Things have changed alot since 2000 or so and although different, it just takes a little extra time and some extra work to do it and since when are we afraid of a little extra work

oldbrad · 2007-01-28, 05:57 PM

also, i have my .com email forwarded to a different address that works great for spam. That was a great suggestion posted above and should be your answer.

Wazdom · 2007-01-28, 09:22 PM

Bill .. yep this is the same ole Wazdom .. been offline for nearly two years building offline business interests .. love webmastering, can't keep away

Yep Linkster that would probally be me, using my real name for submits

Receptor & MrYum good advice on email .. cheers

Preacher don't feel bad, the list is a oldie, being updated .. and 200 is nothing .. you should see my tgp list

GG I didn't really want to answer your question, because the thread changed into a rookie getting told how it is .. and not what the thread was meant .. which is .. in very simple english .. the movement in the LL game is making it increasingly difficult to get link ups. Perhaps I am noticing it more because of my break. But this is my opinion from my recent interaction with LL's.

I am not LL bashing, quite the opposite, just pointing out a trend I noticed

Greenguy · 2007-01-29, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wazdom

...GG I didn't really want to answer your question, because the thread changed into a rookie getting told how it is .. and not what the thread was meant .. which is .. in very simple english .. the movement in the LL game is making it increasingly difficult to get link ups. Perhaps I am noticing it more because of my break. But this is my opinion from my recent interaction with LL's.

I am not LL bashing, quite the opposite, just pointing out a trend I noticed

Think of everything else that has happened in the world since you last built & submitted a free site & pretend that you did not pay attention as it was going on.

Hell, message boards actually make you register before you post now

It's probably just a normal progression that people barely notice because they see the changes in real time, but to you, it's a bit Rumplestilskinish.

If you do have any questions as far as my rules go, please let me know & I'll do my best to answer them

2007-01-27, 07:53 PM	#1
Wazdom WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 43	Link Lists - Forgotten Why? Heya, my first ever post here .. well this url anyway I did something I haven't done in YEARS! I built a free site and HAND submitted to over 200 LL's. Which brings me to the point of this post .. Have Link List webmasters forgotten the reasons why they opened a link site? I am starting to think so with many of the LL sites I visited. A well built ultra clean free site should not be a exercise in walking across hot coals to get listed. Even getting to the submit form in some cases is a hellish exercise. Whats google going to find stronger, LL with 1000 return links, or LL with 10000 return links? A link list is about lots of links? No? you need as many links as you can get your hands on IMHO ... so why make it so hard to build your LL? I can't help but think many webmasters have forgotten why they built a link list.

2007-01-28, 12:10 AM	#4
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Aside from having trouble finding some of the submit pages what rules did you come across that you thought were out of line? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-01-28, 11:49 AM	#12
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Waz - LTNS Didnt I see a submit come in a few days back from you? Or maybe my mind is getting old like the rest of me __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2007-01-28, 05:55 PM	#15
oldbrad It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 485	havent seen the name in years either. I was away for a while as well and am trying to get used to the way things are now as well. Category recips instead of the old "other link lists" page or the standard site name link on freesites. It does take some getting used to at first, but if you make enough templates and seperate them by niche and have them all ready with proper recips, you shouldn't have a problem. Things have changed alot since 2000 or so and although different, it just takes a little extra time and some extra work to do it and since when are we afraid of a little extra work __________________ Help MrMaryLou Link to his Chubby TGP & Chubby Links on your sites and blogs.

2007-01-28, 05:57 PM	#16
oldbrad It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 485	also, i have my .com email forwarded to a different address that works great for spam. That was a great suggestion posted above and should be your answer. __________________ Help MrMaryLou Link to his Chubby TGP & Chubby Links on your sites and blogs.

2007-01-28, 04:23 AM	#5
Wazdom WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 43	hi there ponygirl, been the same answers for over a decade now, you missed my point SheepGuy thanks mate, I don't like posting this work on boards for many reasons, but I've added your LL to my list and you'll get some submits (about once a week) GG is that a leading Q or what \|shocking\| OK .. I have two pet hates .. 1) I love gmail .. the only spam free addy I've ever had .. a webmasters best friend IMHO .. and I can't let my server deal with that anymore (yes I pay for my own hosting and have unlimited email) .. so I now use gmail .. this is a problem for many sites, including link-o-rama.com .... grr 2) Enforced cat recip link .. mate this is a nightmare for webmasters that work in more than one or two niches .. I think it will knock LL's out of some very good webmasters list because its to difficult to deal with

2007-01-28, 11:25 AM	#11
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Are you the old Wazdom? I haven't seen that nick in a while. You do seem to be an aussie. Yeah, things have changed a lot, from the old days.

2007-01-28, 09:22 PM	#17
Wazdom WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 43	Bill .. yep this is the same ole Wazdom .. been offline for nearly two years building offline business interests .. love webmastering, can't keep away Yep Linkster that would probally be me, using my real name for submits Receptor & MrYum good advice on email .. cheers Preacher don't feel bad, the list is a oldie, being updated .. and 200 is nothing .. you should see my tgp list GG I didn't really want to answer your question, because the thread changed into a rookie getting told how it is .. and not what the thread was meant .. which is .. in very simple english .. the movement in the LL game is making it increasingly difficult to get link ups. Perhaps I am noticing it more because of my break. But this is my opinion from my recent interaction with LL's. I am not LL bashing, quite the opposite, just pointing out a trend I noticed