I Got An Email From Exmasters

Greenguy · 2007-08-08, 08:00 AM

A submitter sent me a PM in regards to his sites not being listed. I looked & he's hosted at Exmasters. So, after years of complaining to them about the sites/domains they host & not getting any replies, it looks like we've finally made contact with them

Here's the email:
From: "Exmasters Hosting" <info@exmasters.com>
To: <greenguy@link-o-rama.com>
Subject: Request

Hello GreenGuy!
We were notified that our hosting is banned on your pages...

Please, may I ask for the reason so we can fix it and get's unblocked? As we
offer also virtual hosting,
not only dedicated servers, we can't control everyone's galleries - but when
we get any complain,
it's always resolved promptly or within 24 hours. So there shouldn't be any
problem, that's why
I'am asking you - to fix if there is any problem of which I'am not aware.

Thank you in advance for your time!

Best Regards,
Milo
General support

I know I'm not the only one that has this host & anything associated with them blacklisted, so I thought I'd bring this out into the open now that they've contacted one of us so that we can all join in the discussion.

Receptor · 2007-08-08, 08:25 AM

Umm, I'm still newbie here, but why were they banned at the first place?

Ramster · 2007-08-08, 08:42 AM

Free Hosts or sponsor hosts are baned because the webmaster has no control over the hosting. At any time the sponsor or free host can decide it is not profitable to be hosting anymore and redirect everything or simply close the hosting down for whatever reason. If the webmaster submitting the free sites does not "control" the hosting then it is considered a "free host" and will not be accepted.

And please no sponsor come in here and say we wouldn't do that as I'm sure you wouldn't but the rules are rules because "some" do and there is no way to know who will. Free hosting or sponsor hosting is an automatic ban.

HarmonyIsTheKey · 2007-08-08, 09:14 AM

Well, we never been free or sponsor host (never used any type of advertising in customer's accounts), but as GG replied, the problem is that his emails about his ll abusing wasn't asnwered a few years ago.

We are trying to do the best and fix all similar things within 24hrs, but on the other hand, we are not judges and we can't judge someone's content - if it's legally bought, if 2257 is correct, etc. - simply because we don't want to be spokesman between linklist and the customer. Of course, I don't mean illegal things (they are banned immediately), I mean controversial things. Also we can't be responsible if any webmaster doesn't keep GreeGuy's rules...but this is obvious.

GreenGuy: All we can do now is to start from clear position - ask you for removing from bl and reply to your emails as during today. Thanks in advance.

Greenguy · 2007-08-08, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarmonyIsTheKey

Well, we never been free or sponsor host (never used any type of advertising in customer's accounts), but as GG replied, the problem is that his emails about his ll abusing wasn't asnwered a few years ago....

I NEVER said that!

Here's the EXACT emails I replied to you with:

***

From: Greenguy [mailto:blamo@concentric.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:02 PM
To: Exmasters Hosting
Subject: Re: Request

WOW! I don't think I've ever seen an email from anyone at exmasters
(I have to admit, I stopped complaining to your company years ago)

I've started a thread on my board, as I'm not the only Link List that
has you blacklisted:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=42049

Greenguy

***

At 08:23 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote:

I never visited your board before so if it was there, couldn't reply. I just
wanted to
know the reason - to check account of the user. If someone broke your rules
when
submitting, we can't be responsible for that - only thing we can do is to
check it after
the complain. That's why I contacted you now - never heard about your
blocking from
our customers before. Thanks.
M.

***

To: "Exmasters Hosting" <info@exmasters.com>
Subject: RE: Request

No, I'm saying that I never recv'd a reply from exmasters when I used to email in complaints about sites/domains that you host.

I gave up about emailing you about 3 or 4 years ago.

I did post this email on my message board because I know that there are MANY people that have anything associated with exmasters blacklisted & I thought you might want to plead your case in public.

If you want to continue this discussion, you can find me on my message board.

Greenguy

***

The problem is not so much your users abusing my linklist - I know there's not much you can do if a webmasters hosting with you breaks a Link List's rules. I'm talking about complaining to you about some very questionable domains/sites that you are/were hosting.

Greenguy · 2007-08-08, 09:18 AM

MrMaryLou asked about a "free host" issue as well.

But I remember YEARS ago realizing that exmasters was one of the places that a slot of scumbag & cheating webmasters had their sites hosted - and I'm not just talking about people that break rules because they are hosted everywhere (but a lot were/are hosted at exmasters) I'm talking more about some of the domain names that you'd see when doing whois & dns lookups - rape, incest, CP, etc.

I also remember letting them know about some of them early on - and I know other Link List owners sent them emails & info about the domains in question as well. When I never saw a reply & the domains were still up & running, I pretty much threw my hands up in the air & blacklisted them.

Like I said - this was YEARS ago - but oddly enough, a lot of the webmasters we have problems with as far as questionable marketing & submitting are hosted at exmasters (as well as a few other un-liked hosting companies) so I've continued to believe that I made the right decision when I blacklisted them many years ago.

Now, if you ask me for examples, I have none

But like I said, this was a long time ago - I'd guess 2001 or so (maybe earlier)

judit · 2007-08-08, 09:57 AM

well guys...how about any statement, solution...btw does anyone with "same" opinion on Exmasters have any idea ? for example: Majick (uncle thumper, naughtyplace) , Ladydesigner (clix4sex , sexysmuttlinks), Varion (alcoholinks, eroticasearch), Ingrid (stuveltjes porn, analbitch pornlist ) etc., because it's not fair for honest webmasters be banned for a few diletants...

HarmonyIsTheKey · 2007-08-08, 10:08 AM

Okay, thx for clarification - I understand. The problem <STRIKE>is</STRIKE> was, that control panel didn't have any filter for domain names. Now are questionable domain names in queue and processed manually.

If we may clear it out, will be great. It should happen much less and if so, it will be promptly solved..

HC-Majick · 2007-08-08, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by judit

well guys...how about any statement, solution...btw does anyone with "same" opinion on Exmasters have any idea ? for example: Majick (uncle thumper, naughtyplace) , Ladydesigner (clix4sex , sexysmuttlinks), Varion (alcoholinks, eroticasearch), Ingrid (stuveltjes porn, analbitch pornlist ) etc., because it's not fair for honest webmasters be banned for a few diletants...

Just curious....How is it that you think my LL policies have anything to do with Exmasters hosting?

ladydesigner · 2007-08-08, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HC-Majick

Just curious....How is it that you think my LL policies have anything to do with Exmasters hosting?

Ummm.... yes, same here. Why would me banning you have anything to do with Exmasters??

stuveltje · 2007-08-17, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by judit

well guys...how about any statement, solution...btw does anyone with "same" opinion on Exmasters have any idea ? for example: Majick (uncle thumper, naughtyplace) , Ladydesigner (clix4sex , sexysmuttlinks), Varion (alcoholinks, eroticasearch), Ingrid (stuveltjes porn, analbitch pornlist ) etc., because it's not fair for honest webmasters be banned for a few diletants...

who the fuck is Ingrid from stuveltjes porn?

yep i go with almost the same bans like the other linksites do, reason?, i have reviewed and still review several linksites owned by others or owned by me, i see the same submitters submitting to my linksite and to the others, i learned from the oldies, sure i was stubburn at the beginning but still noticed i had the same problem as them, so yep i blacklist when there is mentioned on the boards or whatever that the host or webmaster is bad (oke i admit i will do it when only some person mention it or i find out myself, but then those persons are long enough in this bizz to be trustfull and i believe them) and rape and all that shit.
Btw Varion (alcohol links and erotica search) thinks the same, because i review those linksites and an other thing, analbitch isnt mine and my name is stuveltje

Greenguy · 2007-08-08, 12:45 PM

There are a lot of Link Lists that will decline (and blacklist) anything from a number of hosts - exmasters, hqhost, 3fn, est, advanced, sago, etc.

These places seem to be a haven for shady sites/domains - from rule breakers to questionable sites.

So, like so many other things (counters, pop-ups, etc) it's easier to just decline anything you see from those hosts.

Let's face it - you never hear about a rape site on National Net - or a multisubmitter on Colo-cation - or a guy with questionable content on Webair.

I really need some of my old-school LL friends in here before people think I've (completely) lost my mind

MrYum · 2007-08-08, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

There are a lot of Link Lists that will decline (and blacklist) anything from a number of hosts - exmasters, hqhost, 3fn, est, advanced, sago, etc.

These places seem to be a haven for shady sites/domains - from rule breakers to questionable sites.

So, like so many other things (counters, pop-ups, etc) it's easier to just decline anything you see from those hosts.

Let's face it - you never hear about a rape site on National Net - or a multisubmitter on Colo-cation - or a guy with questionable content on Webair.

I really need some of my old-school LL friends in here before people think I've (completely) lost my mind

No, you've not lost your mind Greenie. Well, at least not on this topic anyway

Having recently taken over managing a couple old link sites, and having done quite a bit of cleanup on the sites, the theory about those hosts was borne out by what I found. By and large, the vast majority of the cheaters/scammers/redirects/spyware installing fucks were hosted by one of the hosts you mention...and almost all were reg'd with estdomains. Big fucking hairy suprise...NOT!

DangerDave · 2007-08-08, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

There are a lot of Link Lists that will decline (and blacklist) anything from a number of hosts - exmasters, hqhost, 3fn, est, advanced, sago, etc.

These places seem to be a haven for shady sites/domains - from rule breakers to questionable sites.

So, like so many other things (counters, pop-ups, etc) it's easier to just decline anything you see from those hosts.

100% agree.. GG

I have many bans in place that are not written, spoken or posted.

I chose to ban these places or people because of the reasons that GG outlined.. It is far easier to decline them as a group than to investigate and question each individual.

It is unfortunate that some webmasters are caught "in the net", but that has been the way for a long time now..

Additionally, as a group, we often discuss these things and will apply a ban together after much deliberation and discussion.

These bans are and will remain in place until there is some sort of 'proof' that the hosts, dom. registrar, etc have improved their management.

DD

LeRoy · 2007-08-08, 07:52 PM

WOW... Thank God I just purchased my new host from Colo-cation

Greenguy · 2007-08-08, 09:10 PM

See - I knew I wasn't going insane (and besides, my Brain MRI isn't until Friday

)

Kenny B! · 2007-08-10, 10:17 AM

We used exmasters for about a year and thought they were pretty good. We used them for our hosted galleries actually, I hope that didn't hurt us back when we were with them.

HarmonyIsTheKey · 2007-08-11, 09:56 AM

Ken> It can't hurt you in any way, you got good hosting solution with great uptime/support, there is nothing wrong with exmasters' services at all.

GG> well, all the complains we get are fixed within 24 hrs, not just from LL's, but also from content studios, etc. Really don't know why your weren't... Sometimes we also get fake complains from customer's competitors, so we can't suspend everything on first sight - so even suspending should have some rules. But questionable domain names are checked more detailed than before. May I ask you for removing from the bl, pls? Thx.

Kenny B! · 2007-08-11, 11:02 AM

I had no issues at all while I was with exmasters, Patty provided great support.

HarmonyIsTheKey · 2007-08-11, 12:16 PM

GG: One more thing, I just checked all active dns in the system and found just three domains including "rape". One is empty (no files), second one some fantasy stuff seen many times, third one forwarded to some standard xxx store. I really don't feel that there is currently anything wrong or more questionable domains than elsewhere...

Simon · 2007-08-11, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarmonyIsTheKey

... I just checked all active dns in the system and found just three domains including "rape". One is empty (no files), second one some fantasy stuff seen many times, third one forwarded to some standard xxx store. I really don't feel that there is currently anything wrong or more questionable domains than elsewhere...

Question: Did you delete the three domains which included "rape" in the domain name?

Greenguy · 2007-09-04, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon

Question: Did you delete the three domains which included "rape" in the domain name?

I'm still waiting for the answer to this question.

Linkster · 2007-09-06, 09:02 AM

There have been many threads about this issue in the past with explanations from many old-time linklist and tgp owners - even at another board prior to this ones existence - no GG - youre not going crazy

Jel · 2007-08-11, 12:42 PM

In all honesty? Without a shadow of a doubt, I can hand on my heart say: 10 is good for me.

I kid you not.

stuveltje · 2007-08-17, 06:56 PM

oh i forgot, i do review analbitch so same rules ( and yes it was once my linksite, but i sold it some years ago and i am still the pain in the ass reviewer there), if they are metioned on the board or not...people who submit to linksites, should check the boards also then they wil find out that not only the rules list cound but some other things too....is that unfair, do we have to inform the free site submitters? i dont think so, i see a linksites like housebuyers in holland (you as a buyer have to find out all the hidden and open information about that house yourself), you have to get yourself informed by the rules of the linksite and to get informed about the hidden information not mentioned by the rules page of the linksite (but found on the boards, especially when its and very well known linksite

) and with that every webmaster has the right to ask their questions on the boards, its only up to you, to just nag or make your life easier (and put your pride apart) and just ask why you didnt got listed

Its up to you if you do something with that info or not, so if you have an bad attitude and say fuck it, thats all the right you have, but you also can think further and overlook what you did wrong and fixed it and make your life easier

This is for sponsors and webmasters

2007-08-08, 08:00 AM	#1
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I Got An Email From Exmasters A submitter sent me a PM in regards to his sites not being listed. I looked & he's hosted at Exmasters. So, after years of complaining to them about the sites/domains they host & not getting any replies, it looks like we've finally made contact with them Here's the email: From: "Exmasters Hosting" <info@exmasters.com> To: <greenguy@link-o-rama.com> Subject: Request Hello GreenGuy! We were notified that our hosting is banned on your pages... Please, may I ask for the reason so we can fix it and get's unblocked? As we offer also virtual hosting, not only dedicated servers, we can't control everyone's galleries - but when we get any complain, it's always resolved promptly or within 24 hours. So there shouldn't be any problem, that's why I'am asking you - to fix if there is any problem of which I'am not aware. Thank you in advance for your time! Best Regards, Milo General support I know I'm not the only one that has this host & anything associated with them blacklisted, so I thought I'd bring this out into the open now that they've contacted one of us so that we can all join in the discussion. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-08-08, 08:25 AM	#2
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2007-08-08, 08:42 AM	#3
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2007-08-08, 09:18 AM	#6
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	MrMaryLou asked about a "free host" issue as well. But I remember YEARS ago realizing that exmasters was one of the places that a slot of scumbag & cheating webmasters had their sites hosted - and I'm not just talking about people that break rules because they are hosted everywhere (but a lot were/are hosted at exmasters) I'm talking more about some of the domain names that you'd see when doing whois & dns lookups - rape, incest, CP, etc. I also remember letting them know about some of them early on - and I know other Link List owners sent them emails & info about the domains in question as well. When I never saw a reply & the domains were still up & running, I pretty much threw my hands up in the air & blacklisted them. Like I said - this was YEARS ago - but oddly enough, a lot of the webmasters we have problems with as far as questionable marketing & submitting are hosted at exmasters (as well as a few other un-liked hosting companies) so I've continued to believe that I made the right decision when I blacklisted them many years ago. Now, if you ask me for examples, I have none But like I said, this was a long time ago - I'd guess 2001 or so (maybe earlier) __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-08-08, 10:08 AM	#8
HarmonyIsTheKey Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8	Re Okay, thx for clarification - I understand. The problem <STRIKE>is</STRIKE> was, that control panel didn't have any filter for domain names. Now are questionable domain names in queue and processed manually. If we may clear it out, will be great. It should happen much less and if so, it will be promptly solved..

2007-08-08, 09:14 AM	#4
HarmonyIsTheKey Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8	Well, we never been free or sponsor host (never used any type of advertising in customer's accounts), but as GG replied, the problem is that his emails about his ll abusing wasn't asnwered a few years ago. We are trying to do the best and fix all similar things within 24hrs, but on the other hand, we are not judges and we can't judge someone's content - if it's legally bought, if 2257 is correct, etc. - simply because we don't want to be spokesman between linklist and the customer. Of course, I don't mean illegal things (they are banned immediately), I mean controversial things. Also we can't be responsible if any webmaster doesn't keep GreeGuy's rules...but this is obvious. GreenGuy: All we can do now is to start from clear position - ask you for removing from bl and reply to your emails as during today. Thanks in advance.

2007-08-08, 09:57 AM	#7
judit Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2	well guys...how about any statement, solution...btw does anyone with "same" opinion on Exmasters have any idea ? for example: Majick (uncle thumper, naughtyplace) , Ladydesigner (clix4sex , sexysmuttlinks), Varion (alcoholinks, eroticasearch), Ingrid (stuveltjes porn, analbitch pornlist ) etc., because it's not fair for honest webmasters be banned for a few diletants...

2007-08-08, 12:45 PM	#12
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	There are a lot of Link Lists that will decline (and blacklist) anything from a number of hosts - exmasters, hqhost, 3fn, est, advanced, sago, etc. These places seem to be a haven for shady sites/domains - from rule breakers to questionable sites. So, like so many other things (counters, pop-ups, etc) it's easier to just decline anything you see from those hosts. Let's face it - you never hear about a rape site on National Net - or a multisubmitter on Colo-cation - or a guy with questionable content on Webair. I really need some of my old-school LL friends in here before people think I've (completely) lost my mind __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-08-08, 07:52 PM	#15
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2007-08-08, 09:10 PM	#16
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	See - I knew I wasn't going insane (and besides, my Brain MRI isn't until Friday ) __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-08-10, 10:17 AM	#17
Kenny B! I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 472	We used exmasters for about a year and thought they were pretty good. We used them for our hosted galleries actually, I hope that didn't hurt us back when we were with them. __________________ ken@iacash.com icq: 53962376

2007-08-11, 09:56 AM	#18
HarmonyIsTheKey Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8	Re Ken> It can't hurt you in any way, you got good hosting solution with great uptime/support, there is nothing wrong with exmasters' services at all. GG> well, all the complains we get are fixed within 24 hrs, not just from LL's, but also from content studios, etc. Really don't know why your weren't... Sometimes we also get fake complains from customer's competitors, so we can't suspend everything on first sight - so even suspending should have some rules. But questionable domain names are checked more detailed than before. May I ask you for removing from the bl, pls? Thx.

2007-08-11, 11:02 AM	#19
Kenny B! I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 472	I had no issues at all while I was with exmasters, Patty provided great support. __________________ ken@iacash.com icq: 53962376

2007-08-11, 12:16 PM	#20
HarmonyIsTheKey Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8	GG: One more thing, I just checked all active dns in the system and found just three domains including "rape". One is empty (no files), second one some fantasy stuff seen many times, third one forwarded to some standard xxx store. I really don't feel that there is currently anything wrong or more questionable domains than elsewhere...

2007-09-06, 09:02 AM	#23
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	There have been many threads about this issue in the past with explanations from many old-time linklist and tgp owners - even at another board prior to this ones existence - no GG - youre not going crazy __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2007-08-11, 12:42 PM	#24
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	In all honesty? Without a shadow of a doubt, I can hand on my heart say: 10 is good for me. I kid you not.

2007-08-17, 06:56 PM	#25
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	oh i forgot, i do review analbitch so same rules ( and yes it was once my linksite, but i sold it some years ago and i am still the pain in the ass reviewer there), if they are metioned on the board or not...people who submit to linksites, should check the boards also then they wil find out that not only the rules list cound but some other things too....is that unfair, do we have to inform the free site submitters? i dont think so, i see a linksites like housebuyers in holland (you as a buyer have to find out all the hidden and open information about that house yourself), you have to get yourself informed by the rules of the linksite and to get informed about the hidden information not mentioned by the rules page of the linksite (but found on the boards, especially when its and very well known linksite) and with that every webmaster has the right to ask their questions on the boards, its only up to you, to just nag or make your life easier (and put your pride apart) and just ask why you didnt got listed Its up to you if you do something with that info or not, so if you have an bad attitude and say fuck it, thats all the right you have, but you also can think further and overlook what you did wrong and fixed it and make your life easier This is for sponsors and webmasters __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit Last edited by stuveltje; 2007-08-17 at 07:04 PM..