Link O'Rama Rule Changes (yipee)

frankthetank · 2006-08-16, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

WarBot - so 2 more pics per page is going to cause surfers to not sign up to a paysite? Bigger pics will do this too?

You looked at a 500x375 pic lately? It's fucking tiny!

I'm here to make everyone happy - submitters, surfers & myself. To me, this is not that big of a deal.

People have bitched for the last year that 800 was too small, so I increase that as well as some other things based on that & it's a bad idea?

I don´t think two additional pics will have any influence to the signups. But on the other hand content requirements are growing steadily.

The only really bad thing coming with the 12/24 pics rule is that I can´t build freesites easily from my galleries. I´m using 20 pics for galleries and could split those pics on two freesites. Now I have to use 4 more pics, so I have to change my building process.

Bill · 2006-08-16, 04:01 PM

I don't particularly like it, but what can you do.

RedCherry · 2006-08-16, 04:26 PM

Thanks! That helps me, I can do 600x600 pics for my one site that has square pics.

I just did a site today at 650x650, and I think 1 pic ended up over 100k due to the quality. I'm not about to compress the shit out of them, lol.

And YIPPEE on the 1024!

You can only fit so much stuff in 750, so that gives you more room for different layouts.

I'm going to change the rules on my link lists to allow up to 1024 wide. I use 1280x1024 resolution on my 2 monitors and 800 wide max sites look really small, lol.

Glad I like making 12 pic galleries for my free sites, that won't bother me at all.

Quotealex · 2006-08-16, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I don't particularly like it, but what can you do.

Me neither. But what can we do!

Useless · 2006-08-16, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Quotealex

Me neither. But what can we do!

What is it exactly that you don't like? Is it the minimum pic size going up just slightly? It really is a slight increase in size. Hell, for a lot of free site builders, these new rules merely acknowledge what they've been doing all along.

Quotealex · 2006-08-16, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What is it exactly that you don't like? .

Both actually. I like to make my fs with the least amount of pictures as required and make them as small as possible.

virgohippy · 2006-08-16, 08:45 PM

I'm more than happy about dropping the 800 screen width rule!

I don't think the pic size will affect the way I do things all that much either. Means my bandwidth will go up a bit... but... eh.

Warbot, I agree that giving away free stuff makes sales harder, but think about it this way: if sites that list links to 4 page ads have to compete with sites that list TONS of free galleries, can you see where there's a need to adapt?

Personally, I'd hate to see my warning page sales dissappear because all the surfers keep graduating to TGP's.

Whatever's necessary to keep the LL game going forward is good by me.

I think Greenie made a careful balance here. And I, for one, take no shame in being a copycat!

Bill · 2006-08-16, 08:56 PM

I don't like it because I think it sends a subliminal signal to the surfers that we are more desperate for their eyeballs, and that our content, all content, is therefore worth less.

I've never had any problem with the 800 standard, and I don't care about it one way or the other.

But upping picture size and number devalues all of our work, without in any significant way adding to anybodies business, neither linklists nor builders.

It will just lead to another size 'arms race' as everybody tries to position themselves to their best advantage - in the end we are back exactly where we started, but with a devalued product.

But what can you do? Not much. Devaluation of our business is presumably inevitable.

ponygirl · 2006-08-16, 08:48 PM

I'm going to venture into the fray here

I do prefer bigger thumbs, simply because it pisses me off to no end to surf and see tiny little pics. I think it's a waste of a surfer's time to have to click thru to each pic to see which ones they like. I see the bigger thumbs as a preview to the bigger pic, so what's the point if they can't even make it out? One pic can make a sale if it hits the right nerve

I also have stated that I think 12 thumbs makes it easier for a builder to vary their gallery templates. You can arrange 12 differently more easily than 10 imo (and from what I see as a reviewer myself).

As for the full size, well ever since Cleo upped her pic size rules I've been making them bigger too (not quite 1200 combined, but close) and to be honest, I really haven't noticed a difference in click thrus or conversions. If they're going to buy, they're going to buy because they want to & your site is the best they see advertising what they wanted anyway. You catch more flies with honey...and all that

but that's just my opinion. I don't think GG is going to see many people taking him out of their submit list, and if they do, well more for me

Kinky · 2006-08-16, 08:44 PM

if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some

if you see some free porn samples that don't get your crotch stiff or your panties wet are you gonna buy anything? probably not but if you see something that you would like to see more of you are gonna check it out more

alot of the "freeloaders" are just looking for the best quality, not neccesarily eating up all the bad content out there

surfers are on your sites to check out your samples, bad samples leads to quick click backs, if they think the sites being advertised are going to contain the same type of content as your samples they are not going to buy anything from you

Quotealex · 2006-08-16, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kinky Jones

if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some

And if you give alot of free sample every day, why would they need to buy it when they can just return to the grocery store every day and get some more free sample as they please!

ponygirl · 2006-08-16, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Quotealex

And if you give alot of free sample every day, why would they need to buy it when they can just return to the grocery store every day and get some more free sample as they please!

I used to manage a store (a candy store yum yum) where there was a set amount of time each day that we had to get out and 'sample' the passersby. Yes, we had a lot of people coming back just for the free stuff, but it DID make more people buy, too. Why else do you think they do it? It's all in the way you look at it.

Kinky · 2006-08-16, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Quotealex

And if you give alot of free sample every day, why would they need to buy it when they can just return to the grocery store every day and get some more free sample as they please!

because you cannot live off of free samples alone, you will starve to death

and as I stated too many people are already doing it and you can't control what they are doing, you might run the risk of being left behind so to say buy the competition

I am curious though, Bill if you are in here again, to hear more of your thoughts on the subject

Greenguy · 2006-08-16, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Quotealex

Both actually. I like to make my fs with the least amount of pictures as required and make them as small as possible.

Well, now that's 24 & 700x525

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Originally Posted by WarBot

...But Ive never submitted a site with pics less than 640 on the long side and I crop and optimize my images and thumbs by hand...

I have one free site with pics of yours listed (it has 30 pics with 15/page btw

) I was looking at the size of the pics & they are really strange. 640 x 399, 412, 373, 403. etc - why are you cropping these by hand? Regardless of my rules, if you have a batch of pics that are all 640x480, just run come compression software (thumbs Plus, CompuPic) on them if they are too big in file size. Why would you bother cropping out 50-80 pixels on one side?

...and while we're talking pics, 800x600 is a very popular size - auto-crop them (and any other 4:3 ratio pics bigger than that) all to 700x525 & you're all set!

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Originally Posted by Quotealex

And if you give a lot of free sample every day, why would they need to buy it when they can just return to the grocery store every day and get some more free sample as they please!

I have 12,000 links listed - a vast majority are free sites, but let's say that 1/2 of them are free sites with pics & the other 1/2 are movie sites or pay - at 20 pics/site, that's 120,000 free pics. My grocery store gives away free samples all day long, but people still buy frozen burritos from time to time

swedguy · 2006-08-17, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kinky Jones

if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some

Who do you think sell the most?

A sales guy that really know his product and give away free samples to give the customer a feel for the product but HE sells the product?

Or a guy that doesn't know his product, but give away free samples and hope that the product will sell itself?

EDIT: Clarified. Comparing apples to apples

Kinky · 2006-08-17, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

EDIT: Clarified. Comparing apples to apples

don't you mean burritos to burritos?

JustRobert · 2006-08-16, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What is it exactly that you don't like? Is it the minimum pic size going up just slightly? It really is a slight increase in size. Hell, for a lot of free site builders, these new rules merely acknowledge what they've been doing all along.

Your exactly right. I will not say that all my sites fit in with the new rules but a high percentage do, so this is really no problem.

Useless is also correct about surfers going to tgps. All my images for them are cut at 700+ with 15 pics a page and a hell of alot more traffic than LL's have ever given. And yet with all these increases I pay less than half of what I use to for bandwidth just a couple of years ago. It really is a wash. I do not do videos because I think the surfer should pay for that. But in time I will probably have to change my thought about this as well.

No gripes on you warbot, I understand your posts are just debate and debate only not complaints. Just like mine, not complaining, just debating with those that have been in the business longer so I can understand better.

2006-08-16, 04:26 PM	#3
RedCherry Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle of the Desert, Pahrump, NV Posts: 3,187	Thanks! That helps me, I can do 600x600 pics for my one site that has square pics. I just did a site today at 650x650, and I think 1 pic ended up over 100k due to the quality. I'm not about to compress the shit out of them, lol. And YIPPEE on the 1024! You can only fit so much stuff in 750, so that gives you more room for different layouts. I'm going to change the rules on my link lists to allow up to 1024 wide. I use 1280x1024 resolution on my 2 monitors and 800 wide max sites look really small, lol. Glad I like making 12 pic galleries for my free sites, that won't bother me at all. __________________ Our 3D Comics and Props on Renderotica

2006-08-16, 08:45 PM	#7
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	I'm more than happy about dropping the 800 screen width rule! I don't think the pic size will affect the way I do things all that much either. Means my bandwidth will go up a bit... but... eh. Warbot, I agree that giving away free stuff makes sales harder, but think about it this way: if sites that list links to 4 page ads have to compete with sites that list TONS of free galleries, can you see where there's a need to adapt? Personally, I'd hate to see my warning page sales dissappear because all the surfers keep graduating to TGP's. Whatever's necessary to keep the LL game going forward is good by me. I think Greenie made a careful balance here. And I, for one, take no shame in being a copycat! __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-08-16, 08:48 PM	#9
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	I'm going to venture into the fray here I do prefer bigger thumbs, simply because it pisses me off to no end to surf and see tiny little pics. I think it's a waste of a surfer's time to have to click thru to each pic to see which ones they like. I see the bigger thumbs as a preview to the bigger pic, so what's the point if they can't even make it out? One pic can make a sale if it hits the right nerve I also have stated that I think 12 thumbs makes it easier for a builder to vary their gallery templates. You can arrange 12 differently more easily than 10 imo (and from what I see as a reviewer myself). As for the full size, well ever since Cleo upped her pic size rules I've been making them bigger too (not quite 1200 combined, but close) and to be honest, I really haven't noticed a difference in click thrus or conversions. If they're going to buy, they're going to buy because they want to & your site is the best they see advertising what they wanted anyway. You catch more flies with honey...and all that but that's just my opinion. I don't think GG is going to see many people taking him out of their submit list, and if they do, well more for me __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources Last edited by ponygirl; 2006-08-16 at 08:49 PM.. Reason: 2 posts while I made mine - this is a hot topic isn't it ;)

2006-08-16, 08:44 PM	#10
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some if you see some free porn samples that don't get your crotch stiff or your panties wet are you gonna buy anything? probably not but if you see something that you would like to see more of you are gonna check it out more alot of the "freeloaders" are just looking for the best quality, not neccesarily eating up all the bad content out there surfers are on your sites to check out your samples, bad samples leads to quick click backs, if they think the sites being advertised are going to contain the same type of content as your samples they are not going to buy anything from you __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

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2006-08-16, 04:01 PM	#2
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I don't particularly like it, but what can you do.

2006-08-16, 08:56 PM	#8
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I don't like it because I think it sends a subliminal signal to the surfers that we are more desperate for their eyeballs, and that our content, all content, is therefore worth less. I've never had any problem with the 800 standard, and I don't care about it one way or the other. But upping picture size and number devalues all of our work, without in any significant way adding to anybodies business, neither linklists nor builders. It will just lead to another size 'arms race' as everybody tries to position themselves to their best advantage - in the end we are back exactly where we started, but with a devalued product. But what can you do? Not much. Devaluation of our business is presumably inevitable.