Sexdug.Com / Useful Scripts Blacklisted

[DJilla]

This is first to let everyone know that our submits using the email addy promo@sexdug.com will now use a different email from the domain TripleXXX.info. I could have just done this quietly and probably served my purposes better, but fuck that and the pussy MF that blacklisted us.

Why? Because it has come to our attention that a lazy, cowardly, pussy, piece of shit blacklisted us at Usefulscripts for vid caps on a free site. VID CAPS!!!!

We have been a member of this board for awhile and our business practices are spotless. We completely agree with the blacklisting concept and usefulness for keeping undesirables out. However, we have been submitting sites with purchased content for well over a year and haven't even submitted from the Sexdug.Com domain for at least as long.

However, we are aghast that instead of sending a rejection notice or deleting the submit; that some whiny, little, bitch rat instead put us on the blacklist. We've appealed this morning of course so the WM that did this should be getting an email. I'm hoping that you have the courage to identify yourself, you spineless little, petty, fuck.

On a related note, how can some of you be using this blacklist without a significantly greater bar to entry than someone didn't like your freesite? Even this would be fine if the WM who blacklisted you didn't get to hide behind a black curtain of anonymity. This is just not right. Also, how are you blacklisted without notice and then on top of it there is no higher power to review except the WM who put you there to begin with. How stupid is that? To the WM who was too lazy to just send a rejection notice, FUCK YOU BITCH. Tell me who are?

Now some of you know me from the board or my list, etc., those who don't check my posts. I am not given to unkind words, unhelpful advice, or lame posts. I am an easy going, go along to get along kind of guy. Up until the point that someone agressively decides to jump into the middle of my pond with bullshit. There becomes a major problem that I want to crush and now I'm thinking about you all day, every day. The WM who did this is a stupid punk that thinks' they're smart or clever and I hope and pray you stand up you gutless piece of shit then we can play like real men. Don't be a pussy all your life.

Don't get me wrong, we've been listed consistiently by most sites and we have great traffic so its not like he is ruining me and now I just have to submit from a new email. But on principle alone the current process for blacklisting is too secret and too easy. All one has to do is buy the script from Useful and now they can go blacklist all their annoying competitors. You can bet I'll be doing that if Useful Scripts fails to respond to the cease and desist letter. This is just stupid.

Thank you very much.

[MrYum]

Whoa...lil extra coffee this morning DJ?

No offense bud, but these things happen...and frankly popping up on that list is not a HUGE deal. You were right to appeal of course, though I gotta admit your approach in this thread could have been handled better if you had any hopes of the other party complying with your request to be removed.

A few points about that particular blacklist. Most reviewers use it as a tool, another check point...nothing more. I have several things I check on new submitters, that list is but one of them. If I do run across someone on that list, WHY they're on there weighs heavily on how much credence I give the fact that they're listed. Vid caps wouldn't phase me a bit, since I accept quality vid caps.

Lastly, simply owning the script from Useful doesn't give you access to add people to that blacklist. I ran their script for well over a year and never had the need or access to bl someone.

On a side note, please continue using your old submit addy when submitting to me. My script doesn't like the odd TLDs like .info.

Seriously, take a deep breath man...this isn't that big a deal. Oh, and by the way...if you were to check my submit addy, I'm listed for templates from a long time ago. Appealed and the listing is now inactive, but it still shows up there...not a big deal

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Whoa...lil extra coffee this morning DJ?

Seriously, take a deep breath man...this isn't that big a deal. Oh, and by the way...if you were to check my submit addy, I'm listed for templates from a long time ago. Appealed and the listing is now inactive, but it still shows up there...not a big deal

Yeah! Thanks for the "cool down" I have been walking back and forth muttering all kinds of expletives. Its a nice day and I'm going to take the dog out and get some air. BTW, I was being sarcastic about getting the script just to blacklist. I would never do anything like that... because its wrong and would be far, far, far, worse than the pettiness that I'm complaining about.

I do overreact massively when someone jumps into my life without cause. Because of this I go waaaayyyy out of my way to avoid problems or conflicts and mind my own business and move forward. I'm very bad with conflict and loose all perspective and just want to smash everything. This of course has served me pretty well in the real world giving pause to people who don't really have an axe to grind with me and don't want to make one. Obviously online where people can hide so easily, my attitude is not productive, I know this and apoligize for anybody's sensitive ears. My agressiveness was meant to goad the WM forward and not to kiss his butt for an appeal. I just think if you're tough enough to want to mess with a man's rep or money you should step up and say who you are. Then we can see.

I guess I'm also having a problem with a blacklist that can so easy hurt business relations and yet the original poster can be anonymous. Also, as you know I'm completely freaked about even the word "blacklist". You had mentioned it to me a while back in connection with a site being flagged as possible spam for being on a shared IP and as you also know it took about 48 hours before I moved it to a dedicated IP as a result of your helpful heads up.

Secret tribunals and "I've blacklisted you and you can't do anything about it unless you ask me nice" is difficult for me to handle. But thanks again for the "take a deep breath". I go throw a frisbee for awhile.

[LowryBigwood]

Hi DJilla,

Getting blacklisted for vid caps is pretty lame IMHO. Like MrYum, I too have made that list before, appealed, and was then removed. Not too much of a big deal, but it can be enough to piss you off for sure. Some webmasters are just too good for some of us it seems. I like to think I submit quality freesites, but some wms are just so picky or their ego is out of control, it's not even worth your time. I'd also like to meet a couple of these webmasters in person, and slap the holy fuck out of them.

Anyways, I hope they show up and identify themselves, this might be an interesting thread.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Hi DJilla,

Getting blacklisted for vid caps is pretty lame IMHO.

Ya think? What totally blows my mind is that this would be an allowable reason. I have heard and seen nothing but good things re: Useful Scripts and this was a shocker. I'm in complete favor of a good blacklist but jeesh how bout administration and moderation?

Thanks for the kind words.

[DJilla]

Now, I'm really gonna go and take the dog out. Instead of doing it right away like I said above I started doing searches and stuff. So I've learned that this kind of lame blacklisting for reasons that have nothing to do with cheating or multisubmitting, etc. has being going on for years. I see posts from people who were new in 2002, 2003 and are now well known WM's complaining about being blacklisted because their site scrolled past 800x600, or other petty stuff. Appeals are not responded to and just who is responsible for running this is some kind of secret. Well I can see why.

I've even identified several lists that use this blacklist and obviously judged vid caps as not very important because they've listed my sites pretty regulalrly. Thanks for that at least! I wish I would've known though.

I also see some of the biggest names on this board that I like and respect as being often identified as secret go betweens that can miraculously take you off. If there's no good reason to be on there in the first place you shouldn't have to kiss anybody's ass to get off. Ohhh, this has got me fried.

OK, so now I've insulted a lot bigger guys (cause I haven't changed my opinoin on these practices one bit). Blacklisting people from your list is one thing but causing them to be blacklisted from potentially other lists who are not as lazy and petty based on your word is just wrong. Period. This is never something you could get away with in bricks and mortar. I hope that maybe we can all take a look at this a little closer and see if there is a more bright line to draw on what behaivor should be blacklisted and what is being disrespectful and anticompetitive. Oh, and hey how about a simple notification email so a WM isn't busting his butt for hours, days, and weeks only to find that some little creep has undermined all his efforts cause he can't be bothered to simply delete the submit. This makes my sick.

I hope my posts do develop a healthy exchange of what's really appropriate in using/administering this blacklist or any well used blacklist. If its just for competitive advantage, or just becasue a WM is lazy, or once placed on the list can't be removed without the secret password that's straight crap and something should be done about it. I can't believe I'm seeing all these posts on multiple boards regarding the same problems over years.

Blacklisting is a hostile act and one should have a very good reason for doing it and do it in the open air. If the system has been abused (I'm speaking from all the posts I've read) why has this gone on for so long.