Sales Question

MadMax · 2005-07-11, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spookyx

not all "sponsor content" is the same, many programs, including lotzadollars will allow trusted webmasters access to the main paysites to use content for sites/galleries. so its not content that is seen very often.

That's the hurdle you face just starting out. Send enough sales to be a trusted affiliate and a lot of programs will bend over backwards to help you sell them.

madleinx · 2005-07-11, 10:38 PM

Well....I'm still working on my first linklist, and I'm a newbie too, so don't take this as gospel by any stretch

But I've never had a freesite rejected for sponsor content.

I think a lot of it depends on which sponsor. Using content from, say, Bangbros or AllInternal probably wouldn't work, but smaller sponsors that don't have their stuff everywhere seem to be okay.

But Sue, don't look at all the content you purchased as a waste. You'll never have to remove it because BigPornoPimpingCash decided to redirect, or shave you, or close down. All you'd have to do is switch out the links! Those of us using sponsor content would risk getting all our sites deleted, if not getting blacklisted, if we had to pull the site. Really, your own content is a much better alternative as an affiliate, because it puts you in control. If I could afford to buy three tons of it, I would.

tb -- are you sending hits to the full month option or the trial option for that site?

tb · 2005-07-12, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madleinx

tb -- are you sending hits to the full month option or the trial option for that site?

I am sending to the full month option.

Quote:

Originally Posted by madleinx

Those of us using sponsor content would risk getting all our sites deleted, if not getting blacklisted

This is a very good and valid point. However how do you reconcile the fact that you may not be selling what is actually available on the paysite.

I have seen a couple of posts about the bad quality of some pay sites. Imagine shilling for one of those with content from a top private studio.

As an affilate I put in hours of work building and submitting, should I really have to join the paysite to see if the content I had to buy matches theirs?

I feel like sue-fi, confused.....

What I really want is to get a handle on the most winning formula.

Any suggestions are always appreciated.

madleinx · 2005-07-12, 10:52 PM

You might try sending to the trial then - would probably improve your ratio, but of course the payout on that is less. But you'd get rebills (hopefully!) to make up for it.

I don't think there's a concrete answer to the sponsor content question. (I almost always use it though) There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. A mix of sponsor and purchased content is probably best, which one depending on the site you're promoting. All IMHO, of course

Linkster · 2005-07-14, 07:54 AM

Besides the already mentioned reasons for not using sponsor content - the content on "most" reality based sites and a heck of a lot of others nowadays is not real pictures, they are video caps - and most of the LLs will not accept free sites built with vid caps (they are usually really poor quality)
I've also noticed lately that even the sponsors that do provide real pictures are way overcompressing the full size pictures while making top-notch thumbs to go with them - again a major reason why free sites get declined.
Most larger LLs get many submits a day - sometimes hundreds (some even thousands) and in those submits you can see a group of 10 free sites built using the same exact content (whatever the fad is today). Again - a reason to turn them down.

Most LLs won't accept sponsor content if they already have the same content listed - kinda sucks for a surfer to wade through the same pic set over and over.
There are also some LLs that wont list sponsor content for some other reasons - like they build their own free sites to list on their own LLs using the same sponsors content (why would the want competition?) and last - some sposnors are not welcome at some LLs due to problems we have had in the past with certain sponsors like cheating, skimming, copyright infringement and the list goes on.

As you can see there are numerous reasons that a sponsors content would not be listed - and then of course there is the group of LL owners that think (and I happen to be partial to this side of things) that if you cant shell out $6 for a set of content you aren't really serious about the business - for someone just starting out, a daily expenditure of $6 towards making your business grow is nothing compared to what it costs to start a real business

Of course if this is just a hobby - then we dont want the submits anyway - 95% of them have to be removed in the first 6 months after listing, another 4% 1 year after listing and the 1% that stay listed are the ones that spent the $6 for the set of pics and are serious about making this their livlihood - sorry to be so blank about it but we just went through (and have already spent a few hundred hours over the last three weeks) removing over 9,000 links to hobbyists and the people that submitted sponsor content.

Last - most LL owners list in their rules whether ro not they accept sponnor content - should be pretty easy to figure out which LLs might list the stuff

sue-fl · 2005-07-14, 12:06 PM

Wow some great advice! I'm dead serious at doing this, though it not to pay bills on. I would love to make money at this what I make is more or less spending money. So I guess I'll keep buying content and building and submitting.

Can someone answer this for me though? With buying content, paying for hosting is it normal to spend more than you make for a while?? My first year anniversary of doing this is next month. I have made some money but not broke even yet. Is this normal for any one else? I just wondering if I'm wrong in thinking if I keep getting better at building free sites. And getting my (fake tgp, hub) filled up, and getting some traffic built up to my link site it will all come together?

Am I'm thinking right or should I be thinking that maybe I should hang it up? Would really like to hear some thoughts from all you on this....Thanks!

Surfn · 2005-07-14, 12:32 PM

sue-fl

That's probably about normal for a person with one year these days. I wouldn't hang it up. If I were just starting out I would find someone to mentor me on the skills I lacked. Sales techniques, traffic sources, etc.

You need to have a plan or goal. Make it attainable both short term and long term and stick to it. These days it all work work work.

They gravy days are over, I got fat in the 90's but they are long gone.

ArtWilliams · 2005-07-14, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madleinx

Well....I'm still working on my first linklist, and I'm a newbie too, so don't take this as gospel by any stretch

But I've never had a freesite rejected for sponsor content.

Likewise here but in my minimal experience I've found that sponsor content is much harder to convert. This is simply because everyone has seen it. If you stick to one niche like I've been then you see the same pics coming up over and over again.

My most successful strategy to date has been to purchase cheap content ($4-8 or so a set) and use that along with a sponsor to promote a site which matches the purchased pics.

---art

sue-fl · 2005-07-14, 01:53 PM

Thanks surfin, toby and ponygirl. That was just the encourgement I needed to hear. I love what I do also so I'm sticking at it!

Another question (sorry) about sponsors this time. Now that my traffic has really gotten good how long do you give a sponsor? I'm mainly using four that I send a lot of hits to. Is there a reasonable amount of time that you hang in their with them? The two I'm pushing this pay period my stats are:
1:1719
0:1999
That is for a two week period ending the 15th. I'm using other sponsors also but have sent most of my traffic to them. Hang in there? Or not a good sign? Thanks for the great help it's much appreciated!!

spookyx · 2005-07-11, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

That's the hurdle you face just starting out. Send enough sales to be a trusted affiliate and a lot of programs will bend over backwards to help you sell them.

We don't base it on sales. We talk with the webmaster one on one and go from there.

2005-07-11, 10:38 PM	#2
madleinx Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Big Easy, or Disneyland for Grown-Ups Posts: 120	Well....I'm still working on my first linklist, and I'm a newbie too, so don't take this as gospel by any stretch But I've never had a freesite rejected for sponsor content. I think a lot of it depends on which sponsor. Using content from, say, Bangbros or AllInternal probably wouldn't work, but smaller sponsors that don't have their stuff everywhere seem to be okay. But Sue, don't look at all the content you purchased as a waste. You'll never have to remove it because BigPornoPimpingCash decided to redirect, or shave you, or close down. All you'd have to do is switch out the links! Those of us using sponsor content would risk getting all our sites deleted, if not getting blacklisted, if we had to pull the site. Really, your own content is a much better alternative as an affiliate, because it puts you in control. If I could afford to buy three tons of it, I would. tb -- are you sending hits to the full month option or the trial option for that site? __________________ <A HREF="http://apps.ClickCash.com/cgi/cc_refer.exe?acct=JUSTMARIE" target="_top">$40 PPS and up on FREE signups! All niches and tons of promo content!</A>

2005-07-12, 10:52 PM	#4
madleinx Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Big Easy, or Disneyland for Grown-Ups Posts: 120	You might try sending to the trial then - would probably improve your ratio, but of course the payout on that is less. But you'd get rebills (hopefully!) to make up for it. I don't think there's a concrete answer to the sponsor content question. (I almost always use it though) There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. A mix of sponsor and purchased content is probably best, which one depending on the site you're promoting. All IMHO, of course __________________ <A HREF="http://apps.ClickCash.com/cgi/cc_refer.exe?acct=JUSTMARIE" target="_top">$40 PPS and up on FREE signups! All niches and tons of promo content!</A>

2005-07-14, 07:54 AM	#5
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Besides the already mentioned reasons for not using sponsor content - the content on "most" reality based sites and a heck of a lot of others nowadays is not real pictures, they are video caps - and most of the LLs will not accept free sites built with vid caps (they are usually really poor quality) I've also noticed lately that even the sponsors that do provide real pictures are way overcompressing the full size pictures while making top-notch thumbs to go with them - again a major reason why free sites get declined. Most larger LLs get many submits a day - sometimes hundreds (some even thousands) and in those submits you can see a group of 10 free sites built using the same exact content (whatever the fad is today). Again - a reason to turn them down. Most LLs won't accept sponsor content if they already have the same content listed - kinda sucks for a surfer to wade through the same pic set over and over. There are also some LLs that wont list sponsor content for some other reasons - like they build their own free sites to list on their own LLs using the same sponsors content (why would the want competition?) and last - some sposnors are not welcome at some LLs due to problems we have had in the past with certain sponsors like cheating, skimming, copyright infringement and the list goes on. As you can see there are numerous reasons that a sponsors content would not be listed - and then of course there is the group of LL owners that think (and I happen to be partial to this side of things) that if you cant shell out $6 for a set of content you aren't really serious about the business - for someone just starting out, a daily expenditure of $6 towards making your business grow is nothing compared to what it costs to start a real business Of course if this is just a hobby - then we dont want the submits anyway - 95% of them have to be removed in the first 6 months after listing, another 4% 1 year after listing and the 1% that stay listed are the ones that spent the $6 for the set of pics and are serious about making this their livlihood - sorry to be so blank about it but we just went through (and have already spent a few hundred hours over the last three weeks) removing over 9,000 links to hobbyists and the people that submitted sponsor content. Last - most LL owners list in their rules whether ro not they accept sponnor content - should be pretty easy to figure out which LLs might list the stuff __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-07-14, 12:32 PM	#7
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	sue-fl That's probably about normal for a person with one year these days. I wouldn't hang it up. If I were just starting out I would find someone to mentor me on the skills I lacked. Sales techniques, traffic sources, etc. You need to have a plan or goal. Make it attainable both short term and long term and stick to it. These days it all work work work. They gravy days are over, I got fat in the 90's but they are long gone. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2005-07-14, 12:06 PM	#6
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	Wow some great advice! I'm dead serious at doing this, though it not to pay bills on. I would love to make money at this what I make is more or less spending money. So I guess I'll keep buying content and building and submitting. Can someone answer this for me though? With buying content, paying for hosting is it normal to spend more than you make for a while?? My first year anniversary of doing this is next month. I have made some money but not broke even yet. Is this normal for any one else? I just wondering if I'm wrong in thinking if I keep getting better at building free sites. And getting my (fake tgp, hub) filled up, and getting some traffic built up to my link site it will all come together? Am I'm thinking right or should I be thinking that maybe I should hang it up? Would really like to hear some thoughts from all you on this....Thanks!

2005-07-14, 01:53 PM	#9
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	Thanks surfin, toby and ponygirl. That was just the encourgement I needed to hear. I love what I do also so I'm sticking at it! Another question (sorry) about sponsors this time. Now that my traffic has really gotten good how long do you give a sponsor? I'm mainly using four that I send a lot of hits to. Is there a reasonable amount of time that you hang in their with them? The two I'm pushing this pay period my stats are: 1:1719 0:1999 That is for a two week period ending the 15th. I'm using other sponsors also but have sent most of my traffic to them. Hang in there? Or not a good sign? Thanks for the great help it's much appreciated!!