Internext/AEE passes anyone :) - AVN SUCKS!!!!!

[Greenguy]

I'm thinking that I might want to change the topic of the Radio Show tonight

Originally Posted by Far-L

1. AVN/Internext has tried reaching out, but you all have to admit that Aly took a beating, Tom Hymes got pounded on, everyone that has tried to have a discussion typically gets tarred and feathered.

I agree that they got pounded & I really did forget about why there was so much hatred towards AVN at them time, but now I remember:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=17808
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=17640
You take those 2 threads into account with the thread on Miami's show & you can hopefully see why we had a bad taste in our mouths about AVN in general.

Plus you really do have to throw in there that a lot of the changes that AVN made for Miami were not told to anyone on this board before they went into place. Not that they have to answer to us for what policies they do & don't implement, but they also have to be able to accept the consequences of negative feedback when they put in what are silly ideas for the betterment of the convention.
- No one needs to fill out that long ass form to get a badge - name, address, URL & CC info is all that's really needed - you think they need to know how much I make? How many sites I have? Useless info that would be used to sell off mailing lists to other companies.
- Increased cost for wireless throughout the hotel - is there really a need to be able to surf in the lobby when your room is a 30 second elevator ride away?
- $250 for the only option of an all access badge for seminars that I would not being going to. If anything, the 2 separate badge prices - floor & floor/seminar - should have never been done away with. If they're not making money with the seminars, then don't offer them. And I really can't see them loosing money with the seminars, as I've spoken on a panel in Vegas & all I got was a badge - no money. (oddly enough, I've not been asked back - LOL)
- It was announced that the hotel only going to be porn people this past year - but that policy had been in place for the 3 years prior, so them using that to justify a price increase is ridiculous.
- I would have spent $3000 on hotel, airfare & the badge before I left the house for Miami - sure, I would have gotten a free breakfast & lunch a couple of the days I was there, but I can eat cereal & fruit at home

Originally Posted by Far-L

6. I don't care what you do but anytime you try to please a majority then a minority is going to be pissed. Consequently, if the big sponsor programs are the ones paying for the booths and free booze then naturally they are going to be catered to in the other areas of the show as well. How many of you link list folks have ever bought a booth? That doesn't mean that your input should be ignored though and we all know that usually the traffic panels are the most heavily attended seminars. Conversely, that means LL and other related people should have a special place in a webmaster show, imo.

1st off, we not all Link List people here - there are quite a few of us that run Link Lists & since this is pretty much the only board that caters to Link Lists, I can see why we are looked at in that light, but I don't really consider myself just a Link List owner - I wear many hats & so do all the Link List owners here on the board

Now, I want you to think back to the last 4 or 5 conventions - Vegas & Miami - and think about the parties that you've gone to & tell me how many parties you got into with just the AVN badge. I can't think of a party that I've been to in the last 3 years that I got into with just the badge - you need a pass or a VIP pass or a VIP VIP pass And that's the way it should be! Would you really want to throw a party for people that do no promote Home Grown? Let everyone & their brother into the party to eat & drink on your tab? Sponsors should use parties to take care of those that promote them, and they are doing that by issuing passes to who they want to attend.

As far as the booths, I've never had one that was my own, but I've worked them for Condom/Netpond & Adult Netsurprise & I can honestly say that no one joined either board because of what me & my fellow webmasters were doing there at the booth. Plus working the booth sucks ass

Who was the big sponsor at Vegas in Jan? Talk of the town for about 2-3 weeks after? You probably don't remember, because from what I've heard, they blew most of their money on the booth & I haven't seen a check from them in months.

No one cares anymore who has the biggest booth & the show floor has been shrinking the past few years because sponsors know this.

2 years ago in Vegas all I wanted to do was get a hospitality suite for board members to hang at, have a couple of cocktails & shoot the shit. I could not get my own suite because I did not have a booth on the floor. I'm not even talking about a party that would have been advertised to the masses - I could not get a suite to hold a private party because I did not have a booth.

Originally Posted by Far-L

7. I have asked for and received special price considerations for amateurs that would not otherwise have been able to afford it so I know that it is not all about the money. There really is a catholic effort to make the benefits of attending available to all concerned.

That's great - but why is there this hierarchy in the 1st place? Why not make it affordable for everyone & not just a discount when you beg them to make things a little less for the average everyday webmaster?

Wanna come on the Radio Show tonight? (8-9 PM EST) We do have 2 other topics that we need to get taken care of on the show, but we can squeeze you in. Of maybe next show (Nov 29th as we're going to be on hiatus for 2 weeks due to the schedule of the Buffalo Sabres)