shave me

[Jim]

Fonz, you know better
You would actually be surprised how few sponsors actually shave. Feel free to use any listing on this site if you are worried.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Jim

Fonz, you know better
Feel free to use any listing on this site if you are worried.

I'm rather less than 100% convinced of that but in the absence of clear proof, I'll abstain from pointing specific fingers.

BUT... the shaving (in general, not talking about specific sponsors - yet) isn't always found on the sales side, but with actual hits to FHGs themselves. The best way to determine this is by clearing your browser cache, and then clicking through to tours and signup pages from your own FHGs. (Use FHGs for sites you don't have actually listed anywhere and just add your affiliate code to 'em so you'll know it was your clicks). You'd be surprised at the number of sponsors that simply don't count the hits at all, which leads to the suspicion that they wouldn't count the sale either if there was one. It's certainly not true of all sponsors, but I'd guess that at least 50% of 'em shave some tour hits.

[DollarManSteve]

Originally Posted by lassiter

BUT... the shaving (in general, not talking about specific sponsors - yet) isn't always found on the sales side, but with actual hits to FHGs themselves. The best way to determine this is by clearing your browser cache, and then clicking through to tours and signup pages from your own FHGs. (Use FHGs for sites you don't have actually listed anywhere and just add your affiliate code to 'em so you'll know it was your clicks). You'd be surprised at the number of sponsors that simply don't count the hits at all, which leads to the suspicion that they wouldn't count the sale either if there was one. It's certainly not true of all sponsors, but I'd guess that at least 50% of 'em shave some tour hits.

This isnt 'shaving' as defined and accepted by the majority of webmasters. Different programs count uniques in different ways - some Raw, some 1st page, 2nd page, join page, etc with different criteria. For example, we count only 24 hour rolling unique IPs to the front end. So, what appears as 'shaving uniques' is most often a case of not counting raw hits. Does this affect ratios? Yes, but it is a more clear indication of efficiency since it reflects (within the limitations of IPs) how many unique individuals visit a site in a given 24 hour period and subsequently join.

In your case above, if the sponsor didnt count raw hits to the gallery, visiting the gallery yourself over and over within a certain time period would only count 1 unique - which is completely reflective of the reality.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by DollarManSteve

In your case above, if the sponsor didnt count raw hits to the gallery, visiting the gallery yourself over and over within a certain time period would only count 1 unique - which is completely reflective of the reality.

I'm talking about clearing all cookies and caches, then sending 1 hit to a specific site, clicked though all the way to the signup page. 24 hours later, these sponsors would still show zero hits for that day for that site. A fairly common occurance by my experimentation.